Surgical tucks

[Dutch]

Just wondering if anyone knows what the success rate is of surgical tucks. That's where, for example, a small horizontal incision is made and then the skin is stretched and sutured vertically to create a tightening -- tight enough to keep the skin over the glans when flaccid, but loose enough to retract when erect. I know of two doctors who have performed this procedure but I'd like to know if there have been any complications, scarring, whatever. Does the end result look natural, how long does it take to heal, what is the approximate cost.

There have been some previous links about this but I never read about the results. Thanks.

[greg_b]

There have only been two guys that I can remember having this type of surgery done, that is some sort of procedure to tighten the end. They both seemed satisfied, if they are still participating, perhaps they will reply.

But my sense was that if they had chosen to continue growing skin, they would not have needed, or desired the surgery. My own experience is that my skin really grips and is so tight that I have to bear down to get the urine past my opening. Now I am not finished, so do not have full coverage, even when flaccid. This only happens after a bicycle ride in cold weather. But it clearly demonstrates that the foreskin will be tight when I am finished. And there is wide consensus that this will be the case, if you grow enough skin.

Also keep in mind that while you are restoring your foreskin will not be acting the way it will after you stop, due to the stress of restoring. It may take more than a year for it to "normalize".

Of course, considering how long a process this is, I can understand some that may feel they have grown enough and would like surgery to make the end tighter, rather than continuing. We each must make our own choice on this.

Regards

[slickskin]

Very few people have had the wedge shaped incision to tighten the restored foreskin, so it's hard for us to gauge the quality of the outcome. Nonetheless the few that did have this all expressed happiness and satisfaction.

I'm hoping my skin is tight enough where I can avoid a touch-up procedure. But if it's needed to ensure coverage than I will definitely consider it. It's most unfortunate but restorers lack the structures that assist with coverage. And our skin hasn't grown with our penis, having all of those years to conform to it. Sometimes tugging just isn't enough for a snug foreskin with a tight opening, and restorers need to go under the knife--again.

[Dutch]

Thanks for your responses. I was hoping someone who had undergone the procedure would also reply.

FYI, the doctor who performed it on Drew Okun (in the video by Dr. Dean Edell) did it by making a horizontal incision on the top and a smaller one on the bottom, then stretching skin with those incisions and closing them vertically. That created a phimosis tight enough to keep the skin over the glans.

I'm interested in learning whether any scars remain afterward and how much it would cost to do this. It would be worth it to me to get this all done quickly instead of wearing contraptions day and night for years.

[admin]

the doctor who performed it on Drew Okun (in the video by Dr. Dean Edell) did it by making a horizontal incision on the top and a smaller one on the bottom, then stretching skin with those incisions and closing them vertically. That created a phimosis tight enough to keep the skin over the glans.

I don't think anyone needs surgery if they grow enough slack.

If they do opt for transverse slit with longitudinal closure I'd say have at least three small ones instead of one big one.

[Dutch]

I don't think anyone needs surgery if they grow enough slack.
The problem is growing enough slack so that it will stay permanently over the glans on its own. That could take years. This type of surgery is quick. If the result of this surgery is a fully functioning foreskin that is cosmetically pleasing, and if the procedure is affordable, why not? I'd prefer getting myself repaired sooner rather than later and having those extra years to enjoy my foreskin. As it is, I have enough skin to easily cover the glans, but it just won't stay there on its own.

If they do opt for transverse slit with longitudinal closure I'd say have at least three small ones instead of one big one.
Thank you for the suggestion.

[admin]

This type of surgery is quick. If the result of this surgery is a fully functioning foreskin that is cosmetically pleasing, and if the procedure is affordable, why not?

The reasons not to would include the risks of any surgery, like infection and generally unexpected outcome, and the risks of penile surgery like discomfort, numbness, and scarring. There's the pain of healing and the risk of things happening during healing that you can't blame on the surgeon. And the result may end up too loose to be effective or so tight it's undesirable. Plus it costs big bucks.

The advantage of just growing more slack is that you also get the additional slack, which increases your options for sexual play.

Cheers,
-Ron

[Not-B-Angry]

Very interesting question..I've thought about doing this myself! I mean that literally... I was planning to work with my friend, who is an MD and make multiple (6-8) small lateral cuts aound the end of the new foreskin at the POE, each 3/8" and close them longitudinally... With a suture and surgical tape. The outcome would be several small scars running the long way around your POE, that created a tightening ring at that location.
I never knew there was anyone who actually had this done, or any surgeon performing such a thing...(I thought it up myself...) I guess I reinvented the wheel...but since restoring the last thing I'll put near my new foreskin is a scalpel :eek:... it's a "maybe some day if I feel I need it" kind of thing.

[Science Monk]

I STRONGLY advise against having kind of surgical tuck or touch-up of a restoration in progress.

Any information singing the praises of surgical touch-ups is dated. We have since learned that all you have to do is tug until you have sufficient LENGTH, and then give things a rest to have the tugging-induced swelling to go down to have a beautiful result.

To see photos of a dorsal slit, go to this web page and click on the bottom entry, "Dorsal Slit."
http://www.research-phimosis-frenulum-male-circumcision.com/library/gallery/index.html#start

I don't think you are going to find any surgeon who can make that dorsal slit mend into anything aesthetically and functionally pleasing.

David
World As Monkey Island

[Not-B-Angry]

gosh that's an ugly procedure!!!Poor guy! Thanks for sharing that!

[Dutch]

Very interesting question..I've thought about doing this myself! I mean that literally... I was planning to work with my friend, who is an MD and make multiple (6-8) small lateral cuts aound the end of the new foreskin at the POE, each 3/8" and close them longitudinally... With a suture and surgical tape. The outcome would be several small scars running the long way around your POE, that created a tightening ring at that location.
I never knew there was anyone who actually had this done, or any surgeon performing such a thing...(I thought it up myself...) I guess I reinvented the wheel...but since restoring the last thing I'll put near my new foreskin is a scalpel :eek:... it's a "maybe some day if I feel I need it" kind of thing.

How interesting that you thought of it. From what I've read, you wouldn't need so many cuts. 2 or 3 seem to work. Do you or your MD friend know whether the scars would heal and fade or would the scarring be permanent and noticeable? That's one of my main concerns. I would like the finished product to look as natural as possible.

[greg_b]

...I'm interested in learning whether any scars remain afterward and how much it would cost to do this. It would be worth it to me to get this all done quickly instead of wearing contraptions day and night for years.

There will be scars remaining. Once you are cut, there is a scar. It may be hard to see, it may become less visible over time, but there will be a scar.

That said, I understand your logic. You do not want to have much, if any overhang. You believe that if you had your original equipment, the ridged band would allow for a foreskin without overhang that still covered the glans. You feel that there is a good likelihood that the surgery would also provide this. And you are not too concerned about the risks posed by surgery, nor the additional scars.

We each need to decide what we are comfortable with. For me, the overhang seems natural, and my two sons have overhang, so I expect that would have been my condition as well, if I had been left intact. I am willing to grow enough skin. And I would rather avoid the risks posed by surgery and having additional scars.

I hope you get the confirmation you desire and that the surgery, if you choose that option, meets your expectations.

Best

[admin]

To see photos of a dorsal slit, go to this web page and click on the bottom entry, "Dorsal Slit."
http://www.research-phimosis-frenulum-male-circumcision.com/library/gallery/index.html#start
While I don't advocate surgery, that is not the surgery we're talking about. That's about the worst dorsal slit surgery one could imagine - way too radical to merely accomplish the objective of making the patient comfortably retractable. And 3 slits at 1/3 the severity each would have accomplished the same thing with less disfigurement. The only thing worse than this dorsal slit is the Philippine chop or supercision, which is usually not even stitched, leaving a wad of skin balled up around the frenulum.

But again, we're talking about the opposite procedure - slitting sideways and stiching longways.

-Ron

[Not-B-Angry]

As almost always, I'm RIGHT WITH YOU, Ron!
The more I restore, the less likely that nip/tuck seems.. the more skin I grow,the more tightly the foreskin hugs the glans...I guess nature simply knows how it's supposed to be...though I'll never get my frenulum, or mucosa, or tens of thousands of never endings back...nature seems to be willing to help me heal inside and out.

[andy932]

does anyone have any videos or pics of how and wat they do to tighten the tip. all the guys that say that they have had it done and say they r going to post pics of it after it had been done have not posted pics or have not showen up on here again after it was done

[sakura88]

always Surgical is not recommended you will get new scars and there is a risk
the best way is to use the not surgical methods you just use manual method until you get a moving skin and you wear the tlc tugger for 6H every day and you will get very natural foreskin that can take one year and half or a little bit more, I read that many people are not satisfated about surgical methods and the regret so please be patient and restore like us without Surgical methods

[andy932]

mostly wanting to see how its done and mostly just touch up surgy to tighten the tip cause sum guys skin is way to loose at the tip to ever pucker the way an avg foreskin would. also i think if it was tightend at the tip it would stay in place better, another thing is, it would make it better to pee with the foreskin covering, if it was tighter at the tip. at the moment if i pee with the foreskin covering theres to much skin and instead of beinga nice tube at the tip its more like a tube thats been partly flatend due to having loose skin. tighening the tip would fix this and if done right would leave lil scaring.

[Dutch]

Thanks to everyone for your input. On another site I found some pictures a guy posted after having restoration surgery. The links are:
http://www.abadboy.com/amateur/images/2008/748/080623ro01.jpg
http://www.abadboy.com/amateur/images/2008/748/080623ro02.jpg
He posted these in 2008 and I had contacted him back then. I tried emailing him recently but his email address no longer works. In any case, his comments with those pictures were:
I am a 69 year old male, 5'6" tall, I was cut at the age of 6 years old...
not a happy camper about it, because I remember. In 1958 I tried to
have doctors reverse the circumcision, but was told that I was crazy.
Always wanted to be around guys who were uncut! So, in 1993 I found
a group and a doctor who would listen to my desires. I started stretching
the foreskin, and used every device on the market... it was a slow
but rewarding process - when in June 2007, a doctor from LA did the
final surgery and reconstructed the foreskin by cutting a small section
and stitching it back together to make the pucker in front. Now I am
happy to have my foreskin back, the first one was taken from me!
Any more information, please send me an e-mail; and thank you
for reading my story.

[Not-B-Angry]

I tried tohave doctors reverse the circumcision, but was told that I was crazy.

Amazing that he posted this...when I first started losing sleep over the trauma of my circumcision...I had NEVER heard of anyone who felt as I did, or reconstructed or anything...the final straw was my new boyfriend who was intact and could do and feel things I'd never even imagined.
I was quite young, and I called a urologist and asked if there was a way to "uncircumcise" me. Long pause...his reply was "are you from some organization? There is no medical benefit to being uncircumcised."
"Organization?" I thought, "theres some kind of organization out there? Are you kidding me? I'm not alone?"
Well the doctor went on to imply that I was nuts to consider it, and he knew of no surgery to perform it.
I thought to myself "well! Who needs 'em? It was a doctor who did this to me in the first place!" That was the phone call that set me on a quest to find said "organizations" this eventually led me into therapy to discover that I was not at all crazy for wanting my body parts back, and thento the book "the Joy of Uncircumcising" which changed my life.
Those pictures look pretty good...but I'm planning on keeping my penis far far away from knives, scissors, exacto blades, scalpels, and broken glass (anything that might cut me again).

[sakura88]

the result on the picture is amazing !
how much this surgical operation costs ?

[Dutch]

the result on the picture is amazing !
how much this surgical operation costs ?

He told me it cost only $1,000. It was quick and painless and he was fully recovered (no pun intended) in just over 5 weeks. His was done by cutting a "V" shaped wedge in the top skin only. The two edges of the "V" were stitched together into an "I" creating a slight phimosis. There was a small scar where it was stitched but it faded. He has no problem retracting it. I wish I knew his current contact info because I'd like to follow up and see how he's doing.

[sakura88]

1000 dollar is not too expansive for a surgical operation if it will help me to restore my sensibility and my foreskin I want to do it please could you show us the picture of your penis after the operation ?

[4skn4me]

I am having this surgery on Friday, the cost is more than 1k now. I have been posting about this on the other forum. I will try to post before and after pics here too

[Not-B-Angry]

Best of luck...before, healing, and after pictures please.
Is there another site where we can read about your decision and the procedure? Thanks! And good luck.

[Dutch]

I am having this surgery on Friday, the cost is more than 1k now. I have been posting about this on the other forum. I will try to post before and after pics here too

Good luck to you! I, and I'm sure all of us here, wish you much success. As one who has been considering this, I look forward to hearing about your experience.

[sakura88]

good luck bro our hearts are with you
please share the result

[4skn4me]

Just got home, everything went great. The tightening took about 30 minutes. I have tape a gauze on right now and the tape will stay for about three days. Once this comes off I will take some pictures. The skin is already trying to pull forward even with the tape a gauze.

[JimOZ6]

Congrats. Lookin forward to your pics...

[Not-B-Angry]

I was thinking about you all day today, remembering you had your procedure. Looking forward to those pics and glad to hear it went well and you're doing okay.:)

[Dutch]

Just got home, everything went great. The tightening took about 30 minutes. I have tape a gauze on right now and the tape will stay for about three days. Once this comes off I will take some pictures. The skin is already trying to pull forward even with the tape a gauze.

Glad to hear it all went well. Hopefully your healing will be pain free. Looking forward to hearing more about it. Congrats on having the guts to go through with this.

[roostorf]

1k is cheap for anything medical. I still owe almost 2k in medical bills for going to the doctor when my balls hurt. The doctor saw me for 10 min, nothing was wrong but he gave me a shot of antibiotics just in case I got had STD (all std tests came back negative). I know it all stems from hearing about someones balls getting tagled up and they lost their testicles. Moral of the story, dont spend a lot of time getting stoned and feeling your balls for cancer.
:mad:I got so mad that I was paying $120 a month for health insurance and still had to pay $2k to see a doctor to tell me nothing was wrong that I stopped paying my insurance and never paid the bill. Now if i go to the emergency room they put me on a sliding pay scale since they know I dont have big insurance money and not only do I save $120 a month on paying for insurance but the hospital bill is about 1/4 the cost of what I had to pay while I had insurace. The American medical system is a scam, no wonder they circumsized so many people.

[AntonioBCN]

This guy on the DTR website had it done as well, the results look really good, and the scar is not too noticeable:

http://www.foreskinrestore.com/touch_up.html

[broken]

How do you make it tight enough not to retract when flaccid but loose enough to accommodate the girth of an erection?

Seems like there is not much room for error.

[Dutch]

How do you make it tight enough not to retract when flaccid but loose enough to accommodate the girth of an erection?

Seems like there is not much room for error.

My doctor said that he prefers to make it just tight enough not to retract when flaccid and let it heal. He admitted that it's an educated guess made by examining how much loose shaft skin you have, pinching some of it together and moving it over the glans and then retracting it. Once he has an idea how much pinch is needed, he makes the cut and sews it closed. During the healing period (about 2 weeks), the skin should still be loose enough to accommodate nocturnal erections without bursting the sutures. After the sutures dissolve, the skin still needs to heal for a couple months. After that, if it's found that it wasn't made tight enough, he will make it tighter little by little (at no extra charge). That way there's no danger of making it too tight at the start, which would present serious problems.