French Porn - Intact guys, naturally

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http://www.explicite.com/

-Ron

[1Taoist]

explicite-art.com is the US site, this is porn at it's best.

Please post anything else you find like this.

[Laatlanta]

Hello everyone, thanks for this post. I'm straight, but what I know now about circumcision and it's dangers, I prefer this sort of "artistic love" than that when the guys are cut.

It just looks better when it's natural and I can't wait until I can rival that look and glide. Plus, I think it's better that women in the USA see this as much as possible since they are taught that the natural, intact man is dirty and that it's only "extra" skin that they cut off, therefore they prefer mutilated men.

Spread the word.

Oh, btw, in posting this I see all the little mood icons below, we need to get some intact icons sporting what god gave them and what their parents and doctor were kind enough to allow them to keep.

[ron1]

Don't you find it odd that you can't even find an uncut penis in American porno?

I used to watch a lot of porno. Now that I have been restoring, it doesn't interest me anymore. It's fake to me. I consider it the "professional wrestling" of sex.

I will have to check out these French films...

[Joseph]

I know precisely what you mean about "professional wrestling" of porn, but I think, to me, it's not limited to just male circumcision.

It's the fake boobs, the shaven, oiled skin, the old, used up porn actors (you can almost see the wrinkles on them), the camera angles that make penises look monstrous, the fake yelling, screaming and dirty language... if the woman I was with was that loud I think it would have to be a deal-breaker.

I like to see amateur-style porn. I guess the best porn for me is porn where the actors don't look like they're acting. Then they would be actual professional actors, wouldn't they.

I know what you mean about circumcision, but unless the cock is completely war-torn and scarred, I tend to tune that out.

Maybe it's where you look for your porn, but I've actually seen quite a few intact cocks out there in US porn, though you are right, there is a dominance in mutilated cock. What are you going to DO in this circumcision obsessed society...

[1Taoist]

Professional wrestling. That's funny. Although, I've never even liked professional wrestling at all.

The fake thing is funny cuz all porn IS fake. Funny story...my wife, who is not into porn, asked me if she could watch some with me. She asked to see some of the stuff I liked. So I showed her this video of some big black dudes bangin white girls. She starts watchin and says "Shes not enjoyin that". I said "How do you know?". She replied "Look at her face when he pulls out of her. That look of relief. Then look at her face change as he goes back in. She hates this". I looked, and you know...she was right. But then I couldn't enjoy the shit. She pointed out the illusion. Shattered it. I got irritated and said "Why you gotta analyze this and break it down like that? Now it ain't no fun.". She said "Sorry. I just call it like I see it.". Such is the folly of illusion.

Now that we know about circ, that's another illusion destroyed. But in a good way.

[ron1]

I would agree with you on that point: fake boobs, oiled skin, etc. I beleive these are all ways to compensate for the loss of pleasure that has occured due to circumcision. Sex becomes more mental, so all these things are ways to increase mental stimulation. Ultimately though, it's just easier to have a highly sensitive penis.

I am so glad I have been able to break the stranglehold of sex being entirely mental. What a crutch that is. Now that I am restoring, I already see (or feel) that this doesn't have to be the case.

As they say in Europe, that's amore!

[finman]

This is dangerous stuff. 1Taoist. Now you, and maybe all of us, will be looking at our wife's face to see whether she is enjoying it or not! Pleasure or relief?

I guess doing it under the circumstances of the filming, with a director controlling the action must make it very difficult to enjoy anything, with the greatest fear for the guy being his performance and the director stopping the action for still shots, change of camera angle, position etc.

[Joseph]

The fake thing is funny cuz all porn IS fake.

You know, when it comes right down to it, yeah. All porn is fake.

But then you got Oscar-winning cinematography, and then you got B-movies. Yeah, fake, but there's good acting, then there's bad acting you know? Just cuz the actors are muscular/thin, hot/handsome or big boobed/dicked doesn't mean they can act.

But, I think it can be different with porn; when an amateur couple is just having sex on tape, and I mean like a real couple who just decided to say, upload their video on xtube n' shit, is that fake?

You got movies, and then you have say, home videos.

I really like to see sex home videos instead of commercial porn. Though, the commercial porn ain't that bad if I find a good one.

You know what's funny, earlier we were talking about cartoons, now we're talking about porn. Is there like a Siskel and Ebert of porn out there somewhere? I wouldn't know as I'm not that into porn to be in the know. (Same with normal movies; I go out to watch them with friends, but I don't have like People or Entertainment Weekly or shit like that...) I think it would be hillarious if there were. "Two dicks up." :D

[1Taoist]

That's funny.

But it ain't about acting really. It's about how us guys don't notice reality in front of us. Actors act sex cuz they ain't actually having sex. When a girl is gettin a dick the size of a bat up her cunny she ain't acting. She's got a dick the size of a bat up her cunny.

We just see things our way. Everything chicks do is fake. As chris rock says "you ladies get mad at us for lyin? Everything about you is a lie. You ain't that tall...your face dont really look like that...your titties ain't that big..."

And you ain't really enjoyin that big dick.

[box_of_cereal]

Europe has the good stuff when it comes to porn.

[cobra]

Some of my favorite porn is produced by Private. You can visit their website here:

www.private.com

Out of all the video clips available for streaming on this website, I saw 1 cut dick. It's not free porn, but the paid subscription is worth it.

Don't forget Italian porn. Those dudes and dudettes get freaky!

[1Taoist]

You know, Cobra, since this is a thread on porn, something I came across recently that I found interesting speaks to another thread where I believe we had a heated discussion.

Guilt over thinking of another chick (than our wife) during sex.

I heard that one proposed reason we watch porn is we get a sperm-boost. What was pointed out was men get a higher sperm count from watching group sex, particularly MFM, because of the perceived competition for insemination. It's totally unconscious, but true. Which is probably also why restoring guys are repulsed by porn that has cut guys, but turned on by porn with uncut guys.

They say that the thought of your mate with other men, or watching this, is a form of this boost. The sperm are stimulated to fight on a primal level. Without a cause to fight for, the sperm gets fat and lazy. And slow.

I think this makes a lot of sense. To people who've been in a long-term relationship. Not the only way to invigorate things, though.

Also why we like to watch others have sex, or in some cases are driven to have sex with others than our mate. When we watch porn, on some level we are interacting with those performing, they provide a psychic connection, which is why some feel guilt. I think the guilt should be let go, simply because processes unconscious to us all are at work. And we need sperm boosts. Those fuckers need to fight. Nothin guilty about that. It's the design.

There are many levels to this, some of which involves the avoidance of porn stimulus or group sex stimulus or extra-mate stimulus or competition-for-mate stimulus. These regulate our stability and long-term survival. But the sperm ignition, to me, is a level most try to avoid. Instead of from time to time focusing on the levels which by nature avoid such aspects. Call em the comfort phases. Where most try to avoid the ignition phases, which proves ultimately detrimental, more should try to focus on the comfort phases, which naturally avoid the ignition factors. The difference is when you avoid the ignition processes, they get you; when you embrace the comfort proceseses,
the ignition doesn't get you...it merely starts your car.

Ignition factors, or processes, are things like porn. Like thinking of someone else (new, old, or unknown) while with your mate. Comfort proceses are things like candles, a good meal, some Chris Botti music, telling her you love her, looking her in the eyes while cumming inside her, as well as focusing only on your mate. These kinds of things take the fight out and produce stability. But sooner or later the fight needs to come back.

And your sperm needs to go to war, 300 million strong.

Note: there is a radically increased sperm count in men who have a perceived challenge to their mate, or are challenging others for a mate. Downside is, this is short-term; gotta find a new score to get the same boost.

[cobra]

I wrote a response to this earlier but it appears to have disappeared into the ether. Ah well, I'll have another go of it. If the other appears, I'll just delete it.

I own a video store which stocks pornographic material. I am also the person who orders said pornographic material for the shop. I can assure you right now that there are three types of porn which outsells and outrents all other categories, and that is big cock porn, gangbang porn and double penetration porn. These three categories outperform all other porn, including glamor porn, big boobs, teen, blonde, redhead, blowjob... anything you could think of. The worst selling porn is girl-girl porn. It just gathers dust.

Despite the typical machismo most straight guys spout, men seek out pornography that typically involves what I would consider bisexual activity... double vaginal is a sure fire seller, dp and double anal. The image of two hard penises in one hole seems to set guys' crotches on fire, no matter how "straight" they are. Hell, I like it myself, so don't go getting all defensive. I'm just telling it like it is!

The reason is biological.

Here is an excerpt from an article on New Scientist:

Rivals spur men to produce better sperm

15:56 08 June 2005 by Rachel Nowak, Melbourne

Men who view pornographic images of two men and a woman produce better-quality sperm than men viewing pornographic images of just women, an Australian study reveals.

The finding suggests that humans may be capable of subconsciously increasing semen quality when faced with the possibility that their sperm will have to outrun those of other men in a woman's reproductive tract.

In the study, zoologists Leigh Simmons and Sarah Kilgallon of the University of Western Australia in Perth asked 52 heterosexual men aged between 18 and 35 years to ejaculate into a container after viewing the two types of image.

The volunteers had previously abstained from sexual activity for two to six days. In samples from men who viewed the images containing the two men and a woman - the "sperm-competition" images - 52% of the sperm were motile. This compared with 49% sperm motility in the men who viewed the images of women only - a difference that was statistically significant after taking into account lifestyle factors such as cigarette smoking and alcohol consumption.

But there was also a seemingly contradictory finding. Men who viewed the sperm-competition images had fewer sperm in their ejaculate: 61 million per millilitre compared to 77 million per millilitre for the men who viewed the female-only images. More studies are needed to explain this finding.

Rapid response

"It's a fascinating study. The effect is obviously immediate. This suggests that something [in the body] can be adjusted very, very quickly," says Jon Evans of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, who studies sperm competition in guppy fish.

The findings might suggest ways to improve the quality of sperm during fertility treatment.

The postcoital struggle between sperm is well known in species in which females may mate with more than one partner. For example, male chickens allocate more sperm to an attractive hen with a large comb than an unattractive one, upping the chances that one of their sperm will get to the egg before those of other contenders. Bulls and boars used for artificial insemination by the farming industry produce better-quality semen if they are allowed to view other animals mating.

However, Simmons is not suggesting that humans regularly indulge in multiple matings. "We need to step away from that in 2005. The risk of sperm competition is very low nowadays, but in the lineage of primates that resulted in humans there was probably sperm competition," he says

Previous studies have found that men who look at pornographic images depicting groups prefer the sorts of sperm-competition images used in the current study. Men may simply have evolved to find them more erotic so that they can respond appropriately to sperm competition, says Simmons.

Journal reference: Biology Letters (doi:10.1098/rsbl.2005.0324)

Now here is the conundrum we encounter. Why are we so hardwired to get excited in the presence of a sexual competitor? Here's my take: in the past, simple survival was a major concern, and having a close male companion-- or several close male companions-- helped increase the odds of a man living long enough to reproduce successfully.

The problem with groups of men cooperating for survival is that they would compete with one another sexually. Evolution's answer for that is for men to get extremely sexually aroused by the presence of other men so that their sperm is more active.

Even the shape of our penis is geared toward sexual competition. It is nearly unique in the animal kingdom in having a bulbous glans and flared coronal ridge, which works perfectly to scoop the semen of a competing male from a woman's vagina, catching it and pulling it away from the cervix.

The only part of the article I have any contention with is this:

However, Simmons is not suggesting that humans regularly indulge in multiple matings. "We need to step away from that in 2005. The risk of sperm competition is very low nowadays, but in the lineage of primates that resulted in humans there was probably sperm competition," he says

Bullshit! You only have to watch Maury Povich or Jerry Springer a few times to know that humans still regularly indulge in multiple mating. The risk of sperm competition is no lower now than it has ever been. 50% of women cheat on their mates. Even suspecting our mates of cheating boosts our sex drive.

In pre-Christian cultures, male-male bonding was nearly universal. Celtics had their wives and their male companions, as did Romans, Greeks, whathaveya. In more primitive and dangerous times, it was a good thing to hedge your bets, and having a male mate to help you battle off other males, and against which to safely compete sex-wise, led, I'm sure, to alot higher chances of reproducing versus a single male trying to survive and reproduce on his own. One guy versus groups of men who will fuck anything that moves, including him... is it any wonder MMF porn still makes us blow our corks?

[matty200]

l love porn hetro porn only l go to a few shops in london not far from where l live and l have a couple of these sex shops in the town where l live the shops in london are better for me as they are discreet.Britain was one of the last countries in Europe to have hardcore porn countries like Holland,France and other european countries did not have this problem as bad as we did we used to have soft porn comedy films of the 1970,s similar to the carry on's but a bit more erotic showing boobs etc.

[cobra]

Sorry, I thought you meant "hetero" porn at first but now I see you just misspelled "retro".

I tend to like older porn as well. The older stuff was hot because the actors and actresses looked more human and not so plastic perfect. I don't like fake boobs with scars all over them and shaved pusses. Just trim it, please. The guys all look like roided out ex-cons. Everyone looks like they spend 3 hours a day in a tanning booth. No stories, just repetitious pounding for 26 minutes with facial. Why can't they cum on some other body part... you know, just for novelty? I like seeing cum on bellies and cum on bush. In older porn they tended to cum on a variety of parts.

The gals looked like real gals you might actually get to boff in reality. The guys looked like guys you could compete with in the real world-- skinny, fat, hairy, ugly, with weird looking dick, just like us. ;) Where did all these plastic, quasi-human perfectadroids with no body hair come from?

[matty200]

That's true l don't mind older porn as you said lot of girls today look fake like in the 70's at least they looked real l work with some young ladies and they look fake especially with fake tans

[1Taoist]

Are you sure he meant that? I like retro porn. If that's what he meant I get that.

Nice posting Cobra. Interesting topic of understanding. This is the study I was referring to.

Interesting angle you have on selling porn. Insider info. Very useful.

I was gonna add another demension earlier but didn't get around to it: and that's that we are ignited by things, or stimulated, but we also have a drive to order things too. As I said above, many people try to avoid their igniters (whatever they are) and just assume their comfort, or "bonding" principles- for use of a better term -will take care of everything cuz they're "good". And that's true. We should not encourage our mates to gangbang for us so we can get a sperm shot. We should not rub penis' in the same vadge, lest we "go gay" :-)) (LOL just kidding). No, really, for the reasons of disease, etc.

I don't know...maybe we should. Don't knock it til you try it, right? Gotta feel good at least.

Maybe the whole gay orientation may be explained in some fashion along these lines. Interesting to find out sperm levels of gay men. Bet they're higher. Ironic when you consider where it ends up. And how unreproductive it is.

Back to what I was saying- I think there are two sides to the war: the ignition/competition side, and the comfort/bonding side. Both are needed. Favor one too much and you get problems. And yes, if you just try to be comfortable and bond all the time you will not succeed.

What I meant to observe above was that people avoid the ignitors consciously, because they think they're supposed to only be comfort/bonders. So they end up at porn stores renting gangbang films and monsters of cock cuz their ignition is suppressed into the subconscious. That's why you get that "porn aura" that surrounds people renting this stuff- that slow, quiet, suppressed state of animation they get from browsing the porn section. That intense, narrowed focus that makes them decide on interracial anal DP films and manage to walk up to a counter in front of people and rent it. Looking back...can't believe I used to do that. I'd rent 4 or 5 of vids a pop probably 4-5 times a week. One time when I returned one the chick made me take it back home and clean it cuz there was a "substance" on the tape :-0 (was just some oil, nothin to do with jackin). Talk about altered states.

So people would be better served to embrace their ignitors and direct the energy toward comfort/bonding. The trouble arises from the fact that we may get a sperm boost from dueling cocks inside our wive's pussy, but afterward we get a real sperm crash- in other words depression cuz she took two dicks like a whore.

I don't agree with that. I don't think it has to be that way. And it shouldn't. A good session like that should result in good sex and not judgement. But easier said than done. The optimal state for humans of sound mind and body is neither the boost nor the depression. And experts say it's hard to get one without the other. That's why I say do whatever it takes to get yourself ignited, then turn it and DIRECT IT toward comfort/bonding. This produces a more realistic approach of reality than the madonna/whore complex.

If life is a sperm war, it is very short-term and our spirit suffers. If life is only a spiritual effort, it is a long-term struggle and our body and soul suffers. The soul is what links our gangbang sperm war to our righteous spirit warrior who brings peace, stability, and prosperity.

[matty200]

Hi l meant hetrosexual porn l just put hetro as short might of spelt it wrong

[1Taoist]

Another thing to consider is when we need sperm vigor (motility) and sperm levels (count), which I'm sure is another type of balance. Gangbang porn sometimes, and girl-on-girl porn others.

[cobra]

Oh... well my post is not about hetero sex or gay sex, but merely an observation about what porn sells the best and the biological reason otherwise straight men get extra aroused by pornography that might seem bisexual or homosexual to a limited degree.

I am always amused by these big tough guys coming in the store all covered in tats and looking mean, and they buy DP porn every time, usually with a picture of two dudes and one chick on the cover. You would think that straight men would gravitate toward two chicks and one dick if group is the thrill, but for every reverse gangbang dvd that comes out there is 10 double vaginal and dp videos. Fuck My Wife, Please outsells Fuck My Husband, Please about 5 to 1.

Other than two cocks touching within the body of a female performer, however, male-male touching is taboo, and relegates a film to bi/gay territory, which sells worse than girl-girl porn.

Even in pre-christian times when male-male bonding was not taboo, there was a certain point up to which male only relations were acceptable. The point seemed to be where one male would take on a female/submissive role or if the male-male relationship was exclusive and did not include the normal male-female reproductive social roles. In other words, you could fuck another dude so long as you weren't the one getting fucked and so long as you liked women more. :D Our modern counterpart is what we call buddies. You can joke around, wrestle, make gay jibes but don't ever touch your buddies wiener!

So the thing seems to me to be a sperm competitive thing, and we get a hormonal rush from the thought of competing with another male, which feels good physically, primed and pumped up. I would venture to guess that the most sexually successful males tend to have close male friends with whom to compete with and keep their libidos in a state of sperm war readiness.

Some other recent new categories I have noticed which kind of stuns me is cuckold videos in which a scrawny dude watches as studs screw his girlfriend/wife... and cum eating... where guys eat their own creampie or are forced to eat the creampie of the dude cuckolding them. Barrrfff!! I have no idea what this is about.

But I understand what Tao is talking about which is allowing yourself to get charged by these borderline taboo fantasies and then turning that energy onto a spouse for improved sexual intercourse. Learning how and why our libidos work the way they do and then controlling it instead of dampening our natural sexual nature out of guilt or reluctance to think outside the very narrow corridor which is our religio-cultural norm.

[1Taoist]

Cuckold creampie eating? Very, very simple. The cuckcold is taking an unorthodox power position- he is watching, willingly, as his wife takes other lovers, but not just any, lovers MORE SATISFYING than their mate. This is a psychological sperm deal. Doesn't makes sense, yet it can to some degree if you approach it sideways. He accepts his limitation and gets humilated to a degree where his sperm is not the one to beat the others- he EATS the opponent's sperm, consumes it, which is a bit of an oroboros-like power cycle, supposed to confer life. The only way to beat him is not just by inseminating the mate, which he may be hopelessly doomed to fail at, but by consuming the other man's seed himself so it can't inseminate her. It's a variation of tribal practices where a rival tribe will not simply rape the women but kill their children by their current mates.

It's crazy, don't get me wrong. But it isn't totally meant to be understood straight on. Some things must remain a mystery, simply put.

Cuckhold vids like fuck my wife, please are popular because in today's society marriage is an institution. A prison of invisible bars. Since infidelity is the only way out of that, married men like to watch the competition taste their mate cuz a.) they get to see her appealling to other men; b.) they get the boost of sperm competition; c.) they are the one in control of her infidelity, thus conquering their own fear of it; d.) their own desire for her is renewed by her engagement of other men sexually, the ultimate statement of female sexuality and power.

That's my swing at it at least.

[cobra]

Perhaps by seeing your wife as the object of desire of other males, it reconfirms in the mate's mind that she is a good choice... sort of testing to make sure with other men that she is an alpha female. I don't know, I haven't given this stuff much thought outside this discussion.

I wonder how sexual competition between women occurs. Obviously, the goal would be to seduce another female's mate while making sure your own mate does not stray. Then again, do women really care if we stray? Genetically, it wouldn't matter so long as the male remains there to support and protect both her and her offspring. Maybe that's why men get away with cheating without destroying the marriage more often than the reverse. A woman KNOWS her children are her own and the main concern is support and protection. I'd wager that men who are dependable and successful in business can pretty much cheat whenever they want, so long as their wives are secure knowing they are not going to desert the family.

My wife told me I could cheat so long as she doesn't find out... :D That probably translates in female-ese as, "You can give away the sperm, just don't give away the support."

I wouldn't do it, tho. I am kind of uptight.

[1Taoist]

They care if we stray because they're in competition with other females. It's that simple. They aren't trying to impress us when they dress up, they're trying to out-do other females. We are just the booty. Same deal, other way.

[1Taoist]

You know, the more I read this the more interesting it is. How on some very submerged levels, what we do doesn't have to make sense to us, it just has to make it's way up.

An interesting note is in these sperm-study findings the differences are really marginal. But in an odd paralell, 49% to 52% is, in a corporation or a presidential election, a majority stake. And all that is all that is needed to win. It doesn't matter if you win by a mile. Just that you win. And often times, if you win by a mile there isn't much satisfaction; we are only as good as our competition.

If when watching women our sperm count increases to accomodate the women we see sexually, and when watching other men compete for these women sexually our sperm count concentrates itself for battle. The baseline numbers may only fluctuate marginally but they mean something.

Funny, I have noticed that sometimes I like to just look at naked women in sexy poses (like averotica.com if you're interested, or met-art.com), which probably increases my sperm count, and sometimes I like watching guys bang these chicks. I don't go much for gangbang stuff, though. I like realistic one-on-one, but I do like 2-on-one MFM if I find the girl appealing. DP is cool, but not in the same vadge or ass. When porn gets freaky it's different- I'll watch that foe freak factor. Maybe the MF, MFM gives me the sperm vigor once i've got the count. Maybe we think these interests just blow like the wind, but maybe on a less-than-conscious level we cultivate our state to keep it razor-fine, toward a majority stake in a game of inches.

[1Taoist]

Evolution is a game of strategies. These are strategies toward survival of species and of ego. Ego should not be excluded. The ego tends to create the odder strategies, cuz it's design is to go around limitations. To want more. Our species wants to recover our foreskins, but our ego wants over-hang. Our ego created circ, our species wants it back, and our ego decides to want more than nature gives.

[cobra]

I'm like you. I love looking at sexy women. Not just nude. A good looking woman with some cleavage showing will make me break out in a sweat. :o I'm the world's worst boob-looker. I tend to like corn-fed beauties, not those mean-looking Hollywood scarecrows with all their bones showing through the skin. Long hair. Bright smile. Big Boobs. Nice hips and butt.

I'm no Casanova by any means, but I have been around. I have found women to be just as interested in sex and enjoy it just as much as men... if not more so... It's just society that makes them act the way they do sometimes. Not being all that good looking, I have always been surprised how easy it is to get women to fool around with me. Alot is just confidence, niceness and horniness. Who wouldn't want someone panting with desire after you? It's flattering.

I have to admit that there is an uptight streak in me, but also a streak of kinkiness that I try to keep in check. I'm a paradox with a dick, but we probably all are in some way or another.

Understanding how and why our bodies work the way they do is something we should not shy away from. Victorian era morality has forced quite a bit of artificiality onto human sexuality and the results of this has probably been detrimental. Feelings of guilt and shame is part of the reason we're circumcised.

Take masturbation, for example. Only 100 years ago, masturbation was considered unhealthy and immoral. Women had their clits burned off with acid as a medical treatment for it. Men were circumcised, or forced to wear terrible medieval looking devices as punishment for the sin of self-gratification. Now we know that masturbation is healthy. It rids the body of old sperm and lowers the risk of prostate cancer.

We are still constrained in our relationships by these Victorian era morals. I see guys all the time afraid to have intimate male relationships due to the fear of being labeled homosexual, but scientific investigation shows that our libidos respond in a stronger, healthier manner when we interact with other males intimately. I'm not talking about gay sex. I am talking about having intimate male bonds like we had in the past. I don't have a close buddy right now and I kind of miss it. My wife is the same way. We've talked about how it's good to have a buddy (or girlfriend) outside one's married relationship.

I'm just rambling, I guess, but it is an interesting subject.

Now... who wants to rub dicks with me. I need a sperm boost! :D

[1Taoist]

I agree. And many guys seem to have better asses than chicks a lot of the time. I guess you'd call that dicks-with-chicks.

Rubbin penis' in some community vadge...a very old pastime. Male-bonding at it's best. Haven't tried it, though. If I do, I'll probably have my whole arm up the girl's ass at the same time. Good times.

[cobra]

Haha!

One time I was walking across a parking lot with my brother, talking to him. Up ahead was this blond with a sweet ass and hair down to her waist. I elbowed my brother and said, "Check that out." The blond turned to go down the sidewalk to a store and it was a dude... hippy with a beard. Oh, nooooo! Man, did I get ragged on! In my defense, he had really nice hair and a big booty. :D

About the sperm boost thing... I think it's rather more inherited from... say... vikings going out in groups and gangraping villagers on a Saturday night than two buddies getting a little too comfy in a foxhole together. Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. Or take it however you want to take it. One behavioral trait is going to be inheritable... the other is not likely to make many babies.

If you're out with your viking buddies pillaging some villager punani, you better have some damn fast bullets locked and loaded-- genetically speaking. We are all descended from the fastest, strongest, meanest, horniest humans who ever lived. Is it any wonder we're mean, horny mofos, too?

[1Taoist]

No it isn't. I had the exactly same blond thing years ago in college. I went to a public screening of Last Temptation of Christ and there were all kinds of protesters goin apeshit outside, and while we were in line these gay guys chatted us up and one had long blond straight hair (my fetish), was good lookin like those Nelson twins singers and had a nice ass. He seemed to like me (I am a bit excessively handsome) and you know...I woulda fucked him and really enjoyed it. No kidding. He seemed to have no hair anywhere else, like a chick. No idea what his cock was like, but since I'm good at givin chicks reacharound rub-outs I woulda cranked his deal out without a care, long as that ass took mine all the way there.

Wow, I'm soundin just a little Viking aren't I? Instead I just fucked the girl in front of him.

In regards to the Viking analogy however: you really think Vikings did DP videos? I don't know. This may be a new thread angle, but I wonder if that's a fairly recent development. Maybe there isn't anything new under the SON :-D. That stuff just seems more a result of performance evolution. Kinds like dudes fuckin girls with that sideways dick action so the cam can see the action. Don't know if the DP in single vajine actually "feels" good. Looks good to the guy jackin to it, but I'd love to hear from anyone who's actually done it in real time.

[cobra]

I actually watched a viking porn one time, one of those euro jobs. It was pretty bad. The most noteworthy chick in it was wearing one of those horned helmets and had long blond braids, but she was about 50 lbs overweight with a gut and huge udders. I watched the whole scene of course. Even big girls need love. I just thought it was a little sad. The budget was so low the director's mom had to pitch in with some puss.

Seriously, tho... are you thinking DPs are something new? Man, human beings have been gangbanging, switchhitting and swinging every which way but lose since the first caveman realized his opposable thumbs could give him a better grip on his dick-- or maybe I should say, his and his buddy's dicks! In fact, jacking off is probably how we evolved opposable thumbs.

Compared to our ancestors, we are EXTREMELY repressed sexually. This is our legacy from the Victorian era, along with our mutilated cocks... this very narrow-minded and fearful idea of what constitutes acceptable sexual behavior and what is perverse, unnatural and sinful.

Here are some ancient and vintage photos of some of the kinds of sex our great-great-great-great grampas and grammas were having. It almost makes me a little jealous. I wish I could cut loose like they did sometimes.

And before you go thinking these are all horrible sinners who are burning in hell now, before the roman catholic church instituted its sexual "reforms" (and started raping altar boys on the sly) there was so much sex going on in the church that whorehouses were called "nunneries".

http://www.pantheism.net/paul/tantra.jpg

SOME TANTIC GROUP SEX.

http://nakedvillainy.com/images/roman_porn_2.jpg

SOME MMF BANGING FROM ANCIENT POMPEII.

http://image2.sina.com.cn/cul/s/2004-04-14/U209P60T4D52694F52DT20040414172014.jpg

AN ANCIENT CHINESE DOUBLE ENDED DILDO.

http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/foot-binding/Ancient_Chinese_Erotica/chinese_plate-footbinding-s.jpg

CHINESE SEX SWING.

http://www.brazenplace.com/bpblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/sposg.jpg

TWO ROMAN LADS GETTING THEIR BUTTFUCK ON.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/ovedio/private/fd86eb51-8383-49d1-9958-558802a9915.jpg

WOW, GRAMPA, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD SOME GAY GANGBANGS!

http://pandoras-bot.com/retrospank2.jpg

GRAMMA GOT SASSY AND NEEDED A GOOD SPANKING!

http://www.vintagefemales.com/pics/2.jpg

AND FINALLY, SOME VINTAGE FFM...

http://www.oldschooladult.com/photos/2008.11.22/hr3way2.jpg

MMF...

http://www.vintagefetish.net/vintageporn/antiquesex/images/vintage-porn009.jpg

...and MFMF.

If any of this shocks you, you are just another repressed modern American...

[1Taoist]

I wish more people would post stuff like this. Excellent visual depictions. There were some big dicks in those days, monsters of cock seems to be the requisite for entry into these gatherings.

Just makes me think- everybody should have some 2-on-1 sometimes. It just looks...right. And I wonder if instinctually and evolutionarily guys blow each other, jerk each other off and BF...cuz it's a natural release from the proximity of pregnancy and the constant conundrum of dissimilar needs (female=opposite). Not only does it keep population down, it evolutionarily helps us exercise our nature in a commisserating fashion, where hetero is a productive fashion. It's why guys go play sports. They practice and hone their natures together.

[cobra]

The truth is, we still live in the Victorian age. That's why circumcision is still going on. It's a symptom of the sexual repression our culture still wrestles with almost 150 years later. There is no medical use for it aside from interfering with a man's enjoyment of sex, and everyone knows it even if they can't admit it even to themselves.

I have gotten my freak on in the past, and any time I have discussed it with others in the real world, I was made to feel like a weirdo, like there was something wrong with me-- but the reality is that I have never done anything that wasn't open and accepted in the past... even deemed to be healthy and natural.

We judge the world around us and the behavior of others through the framing of our own culture. How you react to the behavior of others is actually a reflection of your own social conditioning, not a judgment of the value of what you are viewing.

I am curious to know how many people have reacted negatively to this thread... and how many people have thought that, maybe, it would be cool to do a few of the things we've talked about.

So far, Tao has been the only one bold enough to even contribute to this thread.

Methinks we need to design a tugging device that can pull the stick out of people's butts. :D Got any ideas, Ron?

Circumcision is going to continue so long as we as a culture continue to feel that sex is dirty and shameful.

[finman]

So far, Tao has been the only one bold enough to even contribute to this thread.
Must change that!

So Cobra your idea of ideal women is so different to mine. I think slim is beautiful, while the bigger, past a certain point, is the exact opposite, so I guess we will never be competing. My wife is small, Chinese and lovely.

Maybe you should have been born a few years ago when the Vikings were marauding, if your idea of a 'horny woman' is a Viking with horns stuck on her head:p:p:p

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:e5IkSyDdk4ntjM:http://media.costumesinc.com/costumesinc/SKUimages/large/56623-lg.jpg

I remember hearing of a couple in their farmstead being attacked by Vikings. The Viking men said to the couple they was going to gang-rape the man and rob his wife. The wife suggested the Viking had that the wrong way round but the husband protested, saying to his wife not to interfere as the Vikings were very experienced in warfare and knew what they were doing :p:p:p

By the way, where did you find the pictures?

[cobra]

ROTFL

"Now, honey, these guys know what they're doing...! OWWWWW! Ooh, yeah."

I have to admit, I do like curvier women. But now, I'm talking this:

http://sunfollower.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/img-curvy-girls.jpg

NOT this:

http://secretlyhateyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/fat-bitch-champagne.JPG

But I'm glad you jumped into this little conversation. I was starting to feel like some kind of pervert.

The pictures are from all over the web, no single website really. You can google things like "history of sex", "Ancient sex" or "victorian porn" and find all kinds of information (and jackoff material) that will enlighten you about human sexuality and make you feel, in the end, like the most repressed person who ever lived. I am not a religious person myself. I consider myself spiritual. More Gnostic than anything else, really. But I did have some really religious grandparents and they did a fine job of instilling quite a bit of sexual guilt and shame in my psyche before passing on, which I have tried to exorcise from my mind. I do not think it is healthy psychologically to repress so much. In doing so, that energy escapes as violence, self-hatred and even... yes... genital mutilation.

That isn't to say, go out and indulge yourself stupidly. Don't hurt other people, and don't forget to wrap that thang!

In other words, lighten up, have some fun but fuck responsibly! :D

[finman]

http://77.247.179.160/images/mini/39/441/441937047.jpg

http://77.247.179.160/images/mini/41/457/457431358.jpg

I think these girls have found a better place to keep their bottles! The girls at the top of your posting are great, well within my size range.

http://www.imagefap.com/gallery/1626854

http://www.imagefap.com/gallery/1636523

Too much watching this and I could 'turn to the bottle' and I am teetotal!

[1Taoist]

Alright guys, soon as I get some sit-down time I'm gonna post some great shit. So sit down with a stiff one (drink) and look forward. I'm in a mood.

[finman]

Alright guys, soon as I get some sit-down time I'm gonna post some great shit. So sit down with a stiff one (drink) and look forward. I'm in a mood.
1Taoist...did you fall asleep before you had time to post? :p :p :p

Sorry 1Taoist, I read that you are on holiday, so certainly not all talk and no action

[1Taoist]

Yeah but I'm not with a black girl. Sorry to say. But my Swedish blond wife has a black girl booty, which I'm tappin repeatedly.

[pmg28]

I don't have a close buddy right now and I kind of miss it.

Now... who wants to rub dicks with me. I need a sperm boost! :D

Me neither. But I don't really know of any guys who rub together anymore; our culture has changed dramatically probably with all the sexual harassment issues that abound. Which is why there are so many anonymous ads on Craigslist. I tried it once, but never talked to the guy again. And then I felt fearful of being labeled (bi-curious, whatever), when in reality I just want to fully utilize my sexuality.

How can one pursue this activity otherwise? It's not like I am going to ask my coworkers?!?

[cobra]

I used to joke that I was "trisexual", meaning I would "tri" anything.

Unfortunately, there is a stigma that accompanies bisexuality for men. Not so much for women. Our culture actually seems to encourage bisexuality for women. Who doesn't like to watch two hot chicks kissing and nibbling on each others poonies? But for men, it's still a taboo thing. So much so that many would have you believe that bisexuality doesn't even exist, that bi guys are either confused straight men or gay men afraid to come out of the closet. Even gay men try to propagate this lie.

The truth is, human sexuality is more of a scale than simply a black and white thing. Yes, there are 100% straight men and 100% gay men, but they are the exception, not the rule. Most people reside in the gray area in between, and there is nothing wrong with that-- only that it seems to threaten those who have labeled themselves totally straight or totally gay. Why? I don't know. Fear, perhaps.

I don't know how to advise you to hook up, as I am married and monogamous. With all the disease and sexually fucked-up people out there, I don't know if I would even encourage such a thing. Why not just make friends and see if anything develops there naturally? I really don't advocate emotionless sexual hookups and anonymous one-night-stands. They are spiritually unfulfilling and possibly even dangerous.

[1Taoist]

I agree with the above.

There is also an aspect of psychology cultivated by such activity, and perhaps simply sexuality in general carries with it an underlying component of creation that gives rise to the identity things. For example, what I mean is people who engage in acts will be inevitably shaped by them.

I would go as far as to say bi-sexuality doesn't exist, and as such neither does gay or straight. If the furthest doesn't exist, neither can the others. What's my evidence for this? Google the actress Cynthia Nixon and find a pic of her and her lesbian partner. You might have trouble finding it- you'll just find a lot of pix of her with some guy- until you realize that's HER PARTNER. It's the most WTF thing you'll ever see. You'll say "this aint two women, this is a man and a woman". But its not. This couple alone establishes gay identity as a myth, a non-existence. Theyre just a variation on the only thing there is: people.

You can find this with guys, too. Couples where one is clearly a woman. And you mostly won't see two "women-men" together, you'll see a masculine and a fem. Two bears together is a whole different conversation. That's just a friendship that rubs penis'. :-D

Sexual experimentation is fine, but cobra is right- you'll pay a price. Most of the time it ain't worth it.

Sometimes, people who experiment with homosexuality, if they're not really of that exclusive tendency, may find unexpectedly some of the psychological baggage that comes with it- they can get "confused", start feeling like they might BE gay when they're not. This is because the negative sensation, the taboo force, is potent and if you're not of sufficient constitution mentally you can find yourself with mental STD's. That comes from the same principle that STD's come from: none of us knows all the time exactly what we're gettin into when we have sex with "someone we don't know".

Unfortunately, there's no mental condom.

There is an aspect of appeal, allure, to what we haven't done or don't know, haven't tasted, is new. And that's it's trap, too. We do need to have fun but we need to proceed with caution, and really ask ourselves if we are on stable enough ground. We can have fun, but only with a certain amount of restraint. That's a trickier thing to navigate than we ever think.

Identies don't exist until suddenly they get hold. And once they get hold, it's hard to shake them off.