Just some update on manual progress

[1Taoist]

For anyone out there interested, I just wanted to let it be known I am having great progress using squeeze-stretch manual methods. Last couple months I've gained spontaneous rollover coverage for much of my glans, and I haven't even hit the 1 yr mark. And here's the best part: sitting, either somewhere or driving, my glans is being covered the whole time by my own skin, which is WAY better than a tugger. It's as if the skin "wants" to cover it. The manual methods really have this effect when done with some applied effort. And I never have ANY device on at all. Sometimes I use the your skin cone at night, but that's IT. Seeing such good skin growth is nice.

One way I do the squeeze-stretch differently is I use the forefinger as an anchor but use an upside-down grab, which allows for more concentrated grip-force (the thumb and forefinger at the rollover point rather than the pinky) to squeeze the glans down than if it were the other way up. This seems to target the inner skin well. Do it both ways and you'll see the difference.

Can also be done using the thumb as an anchor too (on the non-squeezing hand).

[hopeforemore237]

I am very interested in learning more about this technique. I did see a link previously and I have attempted this technique sporadically, but I don't feel like I'm doing much. Could you give a little more detail on your regimen? When I try this technique, the only place I really feel anything is some stinging where the skin meets the glans.

Also, are you supposed to pull at the same time you squeeze? I am basically trying to seek some clarification so I can add this to my tugging routine.

[1Taoist]

Yes you've got to squeeze AND stretch. Squeezing can also be "compressing", if that helps. Pull your skin tube out, then compress (pinch) as much as you can, kinda like you're makin pizza dough out of your skin. To get skin to grow, it's gotta have BOTH stimulus'.

I try to do a good session 1st thing, then another before bed. Throughout the day in the bathroom I might give a few squeeze-stretches for measure, but for clarity a good session's effect will last for about 24 hours, so you're good if you only get one in. This is the silly part of this- it's TOO simple. People think it can't work. But it sure the hell does. Better than all the rest, in my experience. Our dicks are like pussy- they respond better when we leave it alone for a while. After we've pummeled it, that is.

Try it out. Just remember to squeeze AND stretch. Can't say this enough. In my understanding, squeeze-stretching thins out the basal layer, which must grow to re-thicken. This is mitosis. Squeezing creates the impulse to thicken, stretching creates the space in which to do so.

Simple as that.

[true_believer]

When you say a good session will last 24 hours what do you mean by that?

How long do your manual sessions last?

Do you manually stretch to the point of pain?

[1Taoist]

Not to point of pain, ever.

What I meant by last 24 hours is the process of basal layer thickening can take up to 24 hours so the squeeze-stretching you do stimulates mitosis in that time. If you read a guy named awesomehoody at restoreforeskin.org (the first to coin the "squeeze-stretch" principle), his understanding reflects the 24 hr cycle, which again is a circadian principle (life cycle). If this is sounding complicated, it is not- no different than workin out. Your body will be stimulated to grow during the ensuing 24-48 hours, depending on the level of intensity.

Sessions last maybe 20 min. Yes...that's all it takes.

[Fletch]

What is the evidence for both stretching AND squeezing?

[cavalier]

Hu Taoist, like you I have found that squeeze / stretch manual tugging has given me the best results. I still use other tugging methods as well (i.e.a PUD and a home made stainless steel tugger tube on alternate days), but the best results definitely started becoming apparent at the time I adopted a regular daily half hour manual routine. I do this for 30 minutes first thing every morning when I awake, and I find that I still have 100% cover and even a nice little overhang an hour later....manual tugging is definitely making this effect last longer and longer, and actual skin growth rate has been quicker. When I say "quicker", I however mean this in a relative sense,as growth has only improved from VERY slow, to merely slow :) Later in the day when things have settled down, I now have about 90 % cover ...this is after 9 plus years of working at it ,and I reckon it will take me another 2, maybe 3 years to get to my target of a nice long permanent overhang.

[hopeforemore237]

Ok, maybe I had previously misunderstood. I thought that the idea was to make like a ring with your first finger and thumb and squeeze, which results in pushing the glans down similar to the effect of a pusher on the TLC-x or DTR. So, you are saying that you are supposed to squeeze the skin like you are kneading it between the tips of your first finger and thumb? I am going to go check out the guy you were talking about on restoreforeskin.org. I hope I am starting to understand this a little better. I am definitely a visual learner, not the type that can read a book and learn how to do it. Usually, I have to have someone show me...but in this case, I think I'll just see what I can find online to help.

[1Taoist]

It's both. Knead when you pinch, but squeeze using the first method you mentioned. Do both. Pull the skin out, then compress it with pinch, then stick the finger in and wrap as many fingers of the other hand as you can around the tube and squeeze, forcing the glans down as you said, and forcing the tube up at the same time.

[hopeforemore237]

do you know of any videos or step-by-step pictures on the internet that I could use. I still have questions and don't want to seem nagging. Is the finger supposed to go all the way down to the glans inside or just to hold at the rollover point?

[Tally]

do you know of any videos or step-by-step pictures on the internet that I could use. I still have questions and don't want to seem nagging. Is the finger supposed to go all the way down to the glans inside or just to hold at the rollover point?
Don't over analyze it. :D Try it, see how it works. Some experimentation may be required. :D There is no one right way to do it.

The following link describes the Squeeze-Stretch method:
http://www.restoreforeskin.org/blog/view/id_712/title_Squeeze-Stretch-Manual-Method/
This one has an illustration:
http://foreskinrestorationchat.info/SSRESTORE.pdf

[1Taoist]

Another way to do it is with the thumb as a squeeze-anchor. Backwards and forwards.

[NCSwimmer99]

what i do for about 20 minutes right before bed is:

I lay down, push the glans down with my right index finger, then wrap the rest of my right fingers around the skin as i am pushing the glans down.

then i take my left hand and wrap that around the shaft.

I squeeze and pull up with my right hand, and push down toward my pelvis with the left. This way i am stretching but not putting any pressure on my scrotal skin.

See, i have been using the DTR for about 3 months, and have notices some scrotal skin moving up the shaft, and this is completely unacceptable to me. So i am hoping the manual will counteract that and the scrotal skin will relax back to where it belongs.

Is my technique doing anything? Any input is appreciated. Thanks. I should be hitting my 3 month mark in the next few days. I don't have any before shots, but maybe i will snap some pics and post them I don't notice much progress other than more elasticity in the skin. But i am guessing that is a good sign that something is happening.

[hopeforemore237]

1Taoist, I just wanted to let you know that due to some frustration with a lack of progress with my previous regimen, I have been only using the squeeze-stretch technique and then using the TLC Packer16 24/7 for about the last week since you posted this thread. I am pleased to say that I have noticed some progress already (little signs of change) and I have only been able to manually tug on average 2-3 times a day for about 10-30 minutes. It has been really nice to not have to worry about the tugger pinching and readjusting every couple hours.

Not to say I am not going to use the tugger anymore, but I am taking a break to give manual a try, especially since I am going to be traveling a lot for the holidays and I won't have to worry about the tugger getting uncomfortable in a place I won't be able to readjust.

[1Taoist]

Here, here. Congrats. Keep it up and you'll be surprised. Since it's the holidays, give these variations a whirl:

What I call "ironing the tongue", which is essentially gripping the skin tube at the circ scar with one hand, and making a sort of mouth with the other with the forefinger and thumb, which acts to anchor your shaft and glans as you pull out on the circ scar like a tongue. This is the stretch portion. Now...take the thumb of your mouth-hand and place it in the mucosal skin portion of the tongue and- using your forefinger behind it as the ironing board -iron out the mucosal skin while maintaining the outward stretch. Iron and squeeze. This will really loosen this skin up for growth, both mucosally and the shaft skin on the outside of it. Do this all the way around the penis as uniformly as possible.

Next, try the squeeze-cock-stretch. This differs from the squeeze-stretch in the fact that the ordinary way emphasizes squeezing the glans DOWNWARD so you can target the skin tube. This method you squeeze the upper shaft behind the corona, EXPANDING the glans against the skin tube, while maintaining the three-finger grip on the skin tube and stretching. This method squeeze-stretches the skin using the cock and glans pressure upward and really targets the rollover skin. Try it, you'll see what I mean.

All these methods can be done with the forefinger insertion anchor or the thumb as an insertion anchor, deeply or shallowly. I call it "thumb-hooking". Thumb-hooking works well with the nail facing the frenulum and with it facing the belly. In other words, the skin of the thumb facing the top of the skin tube or the under-side of the skin-tube. The skin of the thumb provides the most sensitive gripping leverage, so do it both ways (hooking out and hooking in)

[hopeforemore237]

:DLol, ok, I'm must be way too literal in my thinking because you totally lost me on these new techniques. I had a hard enough time when there are posts describing the squeeze-stretch technique in a very detailed fashion with diagrams. I will have to spend some time figuring this one out:confused::D.

[1Taoist]

To get the first technique, just grip the circ scar and pull out sideways and hold your glans and shaft back with the other. You are pulling the skin out sideways thru tv C that is made by your other hand. Your thumb on the holding hand is under the skin/tongue, your forefinger over it. The glans will be held back by the crux of your forefinger and the shaft by your thumb.

Get that first.

Then, once you do, bring the thumb up and over and insert it onto the outwardly-stretched mucosal skin. Knead it out like dough and squeeze-press it. Basically, you are flipping the restraint hand grip from forefinger-over, thumb-under, to thumb-over, forefinger under. You use thumb to make a sort of thumb-print in the mucosal, while your forefinger (now under the skin) supports this. Iron-press your thumb against your forefinger (mucosal/shaft skin between them) like you're gonna snap your fingers, but instead do it SLOWLY. You press-squeeze with the thumb-print hand and maintain the outward stretch with the other hand. Tension should be felt.

On thumb-hooking, when you squeeze the glans down you should feel it "pop" down out of the skin tube. Pull up a bit with the thumb while you squeeze. This should create a vacuum-stretch. Make sure your hand skin is clean and DRY, same with your cock-skin. Moisture makes it slip and the thumb lose grip, reducing the effect of the vacuum stretch. Same when using the forefinger. Pull up and squeeze down.

When you do the cock-squeeze (or maybe I should use a Chinese-style name, like "Golden Cock gets choked"), just adjust your grip to squeeze your cock toward your glans and pull out the skin tube with the other and try to squeeze the glans and the skin tube at the rollover point. Don't let the shaft pop down and out of the tube, like the other method. You can try it semi-chubbed if that helps (and you have skin).

[1Taoist]

To get the vacuum-squeeze, hook the thumb into the skin tube, squeeze the glans with the other hand down so it "pops" out the bottom of your grip, maintain your grip and let go of the pulling fingers EXCEPT the thumb. KEEP IT IN THE SKIN TUBE. Grip your thumb only now with the other hand. Now slightly pull up. Not till it comes out, just enough to effect the vacuum. You must have a firm grip on the skin tube and thumb (inside it) to seal the air off.

I will post drawings of all this.

[1Taoist]

Basically thumb-fuck your skin tube like it's an asshole and fist-squeeze your thumb like you're about to come.

[hopeforemore237]

Ok, I found this online: http://www.foreskinrestore.com/manual.html. Is the "grip technique" on this website similar to one of the techniques you are describing? I think I get the idea of the one with the thumb and using the other hand to create a vacuum and tug.

[1Taoist]

Yes

[finman]

I guess that must be the shortest post, but if the answer had been "No" it would have been even shorter!:p

[1Taoist]

That's the kinda answer you'll never get out of a woman.

[finman]

If you mean "No", I have probably had more than my fair share from women! If you mean s short answer from a woman, well I can understand that...:p

[DPX1]

I seem to be a little lysdexic with regards to these instructions.

Somebody care to post a "how to" video?

[1Taoist]

I will consider it.