About People Who Hate Male Circumcision (Survey)

[Yunus]

I wanted to know how many people who hate circumcision as far as you know in your country.
If there are more than 10 person,state the number of persons in this thread,please.

Could you help me,please?
Thanks.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

EDIT : Oh man,I have a grammar mistake,I didn't use "persons" for plural noun because I did copy-paste it. :D

[RPizzle]

I said two, as I've really only discussed this issue with my closest group of friends.

2 agree with my position against circ.

1 doesn't care whatsoever.

1 is strongly pro-circ.

[cobra]

I've only discussed the issue with about 12 people. Of those 12, only 2 were pro-circumcision. One of my friends, who is a 24 yr old virgin completely brainwashed by his religion, thinks it is a Christian thing to do and cannot be swayed. The other, my mother (yeah, go figure) who thinks foreskins are dirty and yucky. My mother, however, apologized for doing it, saying she didn't realize it might harm me... and also seemed startled by the fact that my dad was uncut and so is her current boyfriend. I don't think she even knew, as crazy as that sounds.

[Yunus]

I've only discussed the issue with about 12 people. Of those 12, only 2 were pro-circumcision. One of my friends, who is a 24 yr old virgin completely brainwashed by his religion, thinks it is a Christian thing to do and cannot be swayed. The other, my mother (yeah, go figure) who thinks foreskins are dirty and yucky. My mother, however, apologized for doing it, saying she didn't realize it might harm me... and also seemed startled by the fact that my dad was uncut and so is her current boyfriend. I don't think she even knew, as crazy as that sounds.

It seems that it is better than in my environment. :(
Most of people in my environment are pro circumcision,but they only agree with doctors,not from their self. :(

[ctrclckws]

Only one, me.

The rest just don't give a darn and would probably give in to the power of suggestion from the medical elite.

I was surprised when I heard the my neighbors, an Indian couple, had thier son cut, at about six months of age, on the pediatrician's advice.

Another neighboring family was Jewish, so we didn't even have to ask what was going to happen. Thier are two other baby boys on my street, one Indian, and one mixed Chinese/African-American.

I don't know the Indian couple well enough to say anything to them, but I asked the other father to at least research the issue before the baby was born. Don't know what direction they went, either. Hopefully No Circ, for the babies sake.

[Someone mundane]

It seems that it is better than in my environment. :(
Most of people in my environment are pro circumcision,but they only agree with doctors,not from their self. :(

Not as great as you might think. Doctors hold a lot of sway and authority in regions like ours too. Just like ctrclckws said below... Their the medical elite. Who is a (seemingly, perhaps) uneducated dolt to EVER question them? Most people just don't think, and feel that doctors act only in best interest. Some docs also get a god complex, and etcetera...

And besides, even still, if an environment is lax about it like that, bad things can continue to happen. Simply by mere virtue of (intact) people taking their experience for granted or simply not knowing/caring enough. Just human nature. I HAVE heard of the occasional dumb intact guy who fusses/is angsty over not being cut or instead cuts their child for "benefits" to his health. My family even personally knew of one. Unfortunately, this swayed their thoughts in favor. People who take what they get for granted are now retarded beyond all belief in my eyes. But from your environmental standpoint, I suppose what we DO have over here is not only better, but infinitely so... Still frustrating for some of us.

Regarding the original topic question: One, other than myself.

I have discussed it with my family. My grandmother is thrown back on the fence it seems after giving her the information and confessing my upset feelings. She has also seen me get very angered/depressed and act irrationally over it. Most of that is gone now. But she saw it as a real presence. She sees both sides of the issue. She has apologized. Which is really all she can do. More than anything about her fence-sitting position, I think she is just highly uncertain overall now from ANY action. I admit that I feel the same way at times, just over different things. She isn't a circ advocate by any means, that's just what she has been used to and was only ever told of cuttings benefits and was also scared by the whole cervical cancer BS. (I swear that one alone makes the foreskin appear as a weapon in some woman's minds.) But I don't claim to know her thought process. Either way I've forgiven her.

My grandfather... His position, to me, is pretty much summed up by saying "what-the-fuck-ever". I told him I wasn't happy. He can't understand why, but he acknowledges that it's been a negative impact on me. He's pretty much pro-circ... And as dense as a brick in the head emotionally to boot. At least he is not offensive or calling me stupid over it. I should just chock this one up to his generation/age and how he is cut himself and barely cares to question it. He's pretty simple-minded and not generally too motivated unless it's his job.

There is one other... Also cut himself. But I don't think he's directly in favor either. "That's just how it is." mentality, basically. He doesn't know anything, though. He might go either way but I am not too optimistic based on negative traits of his personality. He has the frame of mind where he can never lose in an argument, ever. Always dismisses others when they're right. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Well, actually I do know of another guy. But he is more of an online friend so I doubt it counts as much. He is intact, and I've mouthed off about being unhappy before even at him. Perhaps he was simply attempting to cheer me up, but he tried to convince me that being cut wasn't so bad. He IS in the US though, so take that how you will. Most interesting of all however, he seemed to have knowledge that all I would need to do if I really wanted to was, I quote; "stretch the skin"... I wonder about just how much he really knows now. He has said before that he wouldn't want to be cut either though... Confusing character.

[greg_b]

Since you use the word "hate", I cannot answer. I know more than 10 who are "against" it in that they did not think circumcison was a good choice, or now do. But whether that makes them "hate" it, I am not sure.

[Yunus]

I think that my struggles for decreasing that barbaric & terrible circumcision are useless to the world.
It seems that circumcision begin to become popular in the world now.
I don't know why the people could be lied by pro circumcisionists & decide to circumcise their self & their sons which is very crazy thing.

This craziness make me think that God forsake us as a males.The God designed foreskin for males,but the God wanted to destroy foreskin by these pro circumcisionists.
It seems that God stand on the pro circumcisionist side.It was seen because the number of circumcision is rising gradually & it made the God is seen not to stop it.

I'm really frustrated to struggle for global intactness.
But,I still believed in God & St.Paul as the God apostle who wanted to give prohibition of circumcision among God follower.

I need your supports,Bro who are in this forum.

:(:(:(:(:(

[Yunus]

Since you use the word "hate", I cannot answer. I know more than 10 who are "against" it in that they did not think circumcison was a good choice, or now do. But whether that makes them "hate" it, I am not sure.

Hmm,it seems that bro Greg are too formal.
Consider hate & against are same.

It seems that what I write are wrong. :(

[Someone mundane]

I think that my struggles for decreasing that barbaric & terrible circumcision are useless to the world.
It seems that circumcision begin to become popular in the world now.
I don't know why the people could be lied by pro circumcisionists & decide to circumcise their self & their sons which is very crazy thing.

This craziness make me think that God forsake us as a males.The God designed foreskin for males,but the God wanted to destroy foreskin by these pro circumcisionists.
It seems that God stand on the pro circumcisionist side.It was seen because the number of circumcision is rising gradually & it made the God is seen not to stop it.

I'm really frustrated to struggle for global intactness.
But,I still believed in God & St.Paul as the God apostle who wanted to give prohibition of circumcision among God follower.

I need your supports,Bro who are in this forum.

:(:(:(:(:(

It can seem entirely pointless at times, but... JUST for the pure hell of it, I am and always shall be against. (Within reason) Why not think of it that way? They're stubborn. So be stubborn yourself.

[Yunus]

It can seem entirely pointless at times, but... JUST for the pure hell of it, I am and always shall be against. (Within reason) Why not think of it that way? They're stubborn. So be stubborn yourself.

I think that I will struggle for my sons intactness mainly. :(

[Someone mundane]

I think that I will struggle for my sons intactness mainly. :(

I guess that will be problematic. Unless you manage to get in a well off position by yourself and sever certain ties... But I'm not meaning to advocate ditching your family. It's just so complicated.

[greg_b]

Words and how they are used is very important. That is why you have the feeling that

"...don't know why the people could be lied by pro circumcisionists & decide to circumcise their self & their sons which is very crazy thing."

People are not all knowing, good at analyzing, and good at resisting peer pressure and fear mongering.

But I do not think RIC is becoming more common. Instead I think it is becoming less common, and we are prevailing. But slowly. You have to have faith...

[Americut]

I cant say I know anyone that hates circumcision. I hate it. Thats because I'm so strongly against it and disgusted by it. Strong enough to hate. But as for the other people I know, some are for it and some are against it. Although, I havn't discussed it with everyone I know. I am certain I can change a few more minds, but I'm really holding off until I have some presentable proof of my own. Sure I can talk and show pics of restored guys online, but I want to have the proof on myself if ever it is needed for persuasion and to validate what I have to say as far as comparisons and such. Most of the friends that I have discussed all of this with are intact. I felt more comfortable telling intact guys that I am working on growing a foreskin, you know. As a result, I made them go from thinking "Yeah, I have a foreskin. Whatever" to more like "I have a foreskin, and its great". Maybe they would never have known the difference, and been swayed into cutting their sons in the future. But not anymore because I told them all that I know.

The last person I talked about circumcision with was in fact a circumcised friend. We were talking about sex and he told me that he doesn't orgasm when he has sex with his girlfriend. Ever. He said they will be there for over an hour and he will just give up eventually. So I started talking. He was very well intrigued. I told him that I'm restoring, and have been since my fiance and I started having frequent sex. He didn't have to say it, because I already knew that restoring would not fit his current lifestyle. But now he knows about it, and hopefully he will be able to give it a go in the future. I offered my spare Y-S cone to him, but he said that he wasn't sure if he'd want his girlfriend to find him wearing it... Yeah, this is a poor relationship. They have no communication. I tried to convince him, but it didn't work this time. He's interested, but not quite ready to make a move yet.

So all in all. I have 4 intact and 2 circumcised friends that are against circumcision. Those are the friends that I have discussed circumcision with. There are a remaining 3 circumcised friends that I have not discussed it with, but plan to in the future. Those guys are going to need some hard evidence (no pun intended :D) so I'm holding out for now. Oh and then of course my fiance is strongly against circumcision (now) too. Her whole family would be by default. They are not from a cut-happy country.

[cobra]

Just remember, circumcision is a regional practice. Though it may seem that everyone around you is pro-circ, it is really only that way where you live. 70% of the world population is intact. If you were in Britain, Sweden, France or some other non-cutting society, circumcision would be strange and rare to you. The world isn't pro-circ... we just live in the odd areas where it is acceptable and our opinions differ from the majority.

[Yunus]

It seems that circumcision become more popular in Japan according to :
http://www.circlist.com/rites/japan.html

It is a pro circumcision website,but I found so many lies there by myself.
I don't know circumcision is become more popular in Japan or not,but it seems that it is a lie.
What do you think?

[Someone mundane]

It seems that circumcision become more popular in Japan according to :
http://www.circlist.com/rites/japan.html

It is a pro circumcision website,but I found so many lies there by myself.
I don't know circumcision is become more popular in Japan or not,but it seems that it is a lie.
What do you think?

I would be very careful about taking ANY information from there as being serious/factual. It is primarily a fetish site. Don't believe me? They have a "mini" gallery of cut penises and fictional stories which is pass worded. The password to it is, perhaps unsurprisingly... "procirc". Try it for yourself sometime if you need further proof. But your eyes may be gruesomely assaulted... It's amazing the kind of shit you can find out on the net if you're crafty enough...

[Yunus]

I would be very careful about taking ANY information from there as being serious/factual. It is primarily a fetish site. Don't believe me? They have a "mini" gallery of cut penises and fictional stories which is pass worded. The password to it is, perhaps unsurprisingly... "procirc". Try it for yourself sometime if you need further proof. But your eyes may be gruesomely assaulted... It's amazing the kind of shit you can find out on the net if you're crafty enough...

I never believe websites like circlist (pro circumcision site),I found out the lies from there by myself.
So,I won't believe the information from there.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Joseph]

Ahem,

I'll have you know that I'm currently working in Japan, and I can attest to you that even though it does happen here, it is NOT that popular.

While circumcision DOES happen here, it's usually done as a solution to phimosis, or it's advertized in men's girlie magazines as "enhancement," along with other alterations. It has NOT caught on as a "hip" or "masculine" thing to do, the Japanese aren't buying the circ/HIV myth (at least not yet), and most men here are intact.

How do I know this? The Japanese are fond of communal baths and hot springs, and when you go it is policy at most, if not all baths, that you strip down completely naked, and people walk around completely exposed and don't bother to cover up. Only a fraction of the men are circumcised, and children are NEVER circumcised. At least, I haven't seen it yet. God I hope I don't... that'd be really sad.

If any children are circumcised in Japan, they are probably children of American nationals who are circumcised on military bases, or Jewish boys who are circumcised at synagogues (where I live, the only big Jewish place of worship is in Kobe), or Muslim boys who are circumcised in Islamic medical facilities (I've never seen or heard of them where I live). You'll probably never see said children at baths though.

Be aware of that circlist site, Yunus. As it is a site for circum-fetishists, most of what is on there is fetishistic erotic fiction and hardly ever, if ever, factual.

[Yunus]

Ahem,

I'll have you know that I'm currently working in Japan, and I can attest to you that even though it does happen here, it is NOT that popular.

While circumcision DOES happen here, it's usually done as a solution to phimosis, or it's advertized in men's girlie magazines as "enhancement," along with other alterations. It has NOT caught on as a "hip" or "masculine" thing to do, the Japanese aren't buying the circ/HIV myth (at least not yet), and most men here are intact.

How do I know this? The Japanese are fond of communal baths and hot springs, and when you go it is policy at most, if not all baths, that you strip down completely naked, and people walk around completely exposed and don't bother to cover up. Only a fraction of the men are circumcised, and children are NEVER circumcised. At least, I haven't seen it yet. God I hope I don't... that'd be really sad.

If any children are circumcised in Japan, they are probably children of American nationals who are circumcised on military bases, or Jewish boys who are circumcised at synagogues (where I live, the only big Jewish place of worship is in Kobe), or Muslim boys who are circumcised in Islamic medical facilities (I've never seen or heard of them where I live). You'll probably never see said children at baths though.

Be aware of that circlist site, Yunus. As it is a site for circum-fetishists, most of what is on there is fetishistic erotic fiction and hardly ever, if ever, factual.

Thanks,Bro,I'm really aware of that circlist site & I wanted to discover their lies,so I get so many lies there.

I heard my friend who get university lecture in Japan that said circumcision seems popular in Japan teenagers,they said that "uncircumcised penis is a child penis".I heard it from my PM with another user here.

How about it?

[Joseph]

Well, circumcision isn't popular among teens per-se: From what I see, no teen is ever circumcised here.

What IS true is that there is stigma if you can't retract your foreskin, as retracting your foreskin is the sign that you have grown up. So there might be some truth to what your friend says.

Actually, there is a vulgar saying that adults tell children who are acting too old for their britches (I know this because I taught Japanese Middle School for 2 years); "Chanto muketenai." It means, "you can't even pull it back." Yes, they're talking about the foreskin. (Actually, growing up, in my family, I've actually heard cousins be told "you don't even have pubes yet.") So more than anything, boys can't wait until they can retract.

A boy who can't retract his foreskin yet is known as "tsubomi," or "flower bud."

But that doesn't mean that boys are rushing to get circumcised; most wait until they can retract. I'm not sure, but I think you have to be of age to request to be circumcised at one of the facilities advertized on porn magazines.

To be sure, porn shouldn't be avaliable to children under legal age, so they shouldn't even be having access to these ads, so I don't think these facilities will circumcise an underage child.

Maybe boys who are older and can't retract and are afraid they might never be able to, succumb to pressure and go get it done when they're older.

At any rate, at least from what I see at baths, infant circumcision is not customary. Teens and under-age boys are never circumcised.

If anyone is circumcised, it's always older men. But to muddy the waters more, it's a custom, and not everybody follows it, for men to roll back their skins and tuck it behind the head, so some men might appear circumcised, when they are actually not.

If so many teens were rushing to be circumcised, there'd be no older men with foreskins, and like I tell you, you can notice overhang on the majority of men.

[Yunus]

If so many teens were rushing to be circumcised, there'd be no older men with foreskins, and like I tell you, you can notice overhang on the majority of men.

Maybe,the case is like Australia where only the old Australian people mostly who are pro circumcision,but the young Australian people are mostly against circumcision. :D:D:D

[Yunus]

I cant say I know anyone that hates circumcision. I hate it. Thats because I'm so strongly against it and disgusted by it. Strong enough to hate. But as for the other people I know, some are for it and some are against it. Although, I havn't discussed it with everyone I know. I am certain I can change a few more minds, but I'm really holding off until I have some presentable proof of my own. Sure I can talk and show pics of restored guys online, but I want to have the proof on myself if ever it is needed for persuasion and to validate what I have to say as far as comparisons and such. Most of the friends that I have discussed all of this with are intact. I felt more comfortable telling intact guys that I am working on growing a foreskin, you know. As a result, I made them go from thinking "Yeah, I have a foreskin. Whatever" to more like "I have a foreskin, and its great". Maybe they would never have known the difference, and been swayed into cutting their sons in the future. But not anymore because I told them all that I know.

The last person I talked about circumcision with was in fact a circumcised friend. We were talking about sex and he told me that he doesn't orgasm when he has sex with his girlfriend. Ever. He said they will be there for over an hour and he will just give up eventually. So I started talking. He was very well intrigued. I told him that I'm restoring, and have been since my fiance and I started having frequent sex. He didn't have to say it, because I already knew that restoring would not fit his current lifestyle. But now he knows about it, and hopefully he will be able to give it a go in the future. I offered my spare Y-S cone to him, but he said that he wasn't sure if he'd want his girlfriend to find him wearing it... Yeah, this is a poor relationship. They have no communication. I tried to convince him, but it didn't work this time. He's interested, but not quite ready to make a move yet.

So all in all. I have 4 intact and 2 circumcised friends that are against circumcision. Those are the friends that I have discussed circumcision with. There are a remaining 3 circumcised friends that I have not discussed it with, but plan to in the future. Those guys are going to need some hard evidence (no pun intended :D) so I'm holding out for now. Oh and then of course my fiance is strongly against circumcision (now) too. Her whole family would be by default. They are not from a cut-happy country.

Hmm,I'm still confused about how many people in my environment who are against male circumcision.
It seems that my big families from my dad side are pro circumcision,but my big families from my mom don't care about it.
The decision is given to the boys or males from my mom families side.If the boys ask their parent to be circumcised,so they take the boys to circumcision ritual.But,if the boys don't ask their parent to be circumcised,their parent didn't ask the boys want to be circumcised or not.

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

[Someone mundane]

A boy who can't retract his foreskin yet is known as "tsubomi," or "flower bud."

Well, that's interesting. At least it doesn't seem to be anything alike "supot" from the Philippines.

[Joseph]

Well, that's interesting. At least it doesn't seem to be anything alike "supot" from the Philippines.

Yeah, if you haven't retracted yet, you're considered a young'un.

This could be a dangerous attitude too, if you think about it. It could lead to premature retraction by the boy who wants to be a man as soon as possible, and could result in injury by the boy himself, such as paraphimosis or maybe ripping the skin.

Circumcision isn't widespread here, but I sense a danger in that it could be one day, if charlatans play their cards right. This "wanting to be a man" could be exploited and equated to circumcision one day. Hopefully people see through that though...

[Yunus]

Yeah, if you haven't retracted yet, you're considered a young'un.

This could be a dangerous attitude too, if you think about it. It could lead to premature retraction by the boy who wants to be a man as soon as possible, and could result in injury by the boy himself, such as paraphimosis or maybe ripping the skin.

Circumcision isn't widespread here, but I sense a danger in that it could be one day, if charlatans play their cards right. This "wanting to be a man" could be exploited and equated to circumcision one day. Hopefully people see through that though...

It seems that some kids can't be patient to wait until his manhood.
I don't know why some kids can't enjoy his boyhood.

[Someone mundane]

It seems that some kids can't be patient to wait until his manhood.
I don't know why some kids can't enjoy his boyhood.

I wasn't in any hurry to grow up, either... But I don't mind it.

[Yunus]

I wasn't in any hurry to grow up, either... But I don't mind it.

Yes,I enjoyed my boyhood very well.
I ever think that being an adult is a nice thing,but I realized that adult has so many thinking which could make people stressed.
I think that being a boy is better,but it doesn't mean that I wanted to be a child forever. :D

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