Are we the male version of feminist?

[Jonzer514]

It just came to me... that... we are basically the male version of feminist. Any thoughts / ideas / comments about this?

Also... maybe we could reach out to feminist groups and explain the plight of the male sexual oppression and mutilation. Seems like we could make some allies like that. They want equal rights... so do we! Men should get the same rights as females when it comes to genital mutilation.

[OracleYori]

It depends on what your definition of feminism is. (and what wave)
They as a group should already have banded with us for the betterment of humanity anyway, as gender is a false barrier for rights in this age.

As an aside I'm going to say that the lol was unnecessary.

{mod: I took it out of the thead title. I just don't care for it}

[Jonzer514]

As a side I'm going to say that the lol was unnecessary.

Teh lulz are always necessary. It's different if you know me... I smile and laugh at everything... my friends say I'm scary because of it lol... sort of like the Joker (don't get me wrong, I'm not a Joker fanboy or even close, was just using him as an example.)

*edit* guess I should also say that you make a great point about how gender should not be a barrier for rights.

[Americut]

Feminists fight for the general rights of females.

We are fighting for the specific right of male infants, to bodily integrity.

I feel that the feminists that fought for the criminalization of FGM were selfish in disregarding MGM/RIC as a violation of human rights. With their help, we could have been so much further than we are right now. I am bothered by the fact they are so huge on "equality", yet they managed to create an amazing double standard between FGM and MGM. Instead of fighting for females rights to bodily integrity, they (and everyone else) SHOULD have been fighting for human rights to bodily integrity, long ago.

[Joseph]

"Are we the male version of feminist?"

In a sense we are.

However, being pro-male doesn't cary the same "umph" as being pro-female.

People keep telling me that feminism is supposed to stand for equal rights. The name is a bit too biased for me. It seems feminism only looks out for "equal rights" as they apply to WOMEN.

Unfortunately, I'm only familiar with the kind of feminism that seeks to eliminate the male sex. They pine and sigh about how women have it so hard, and men have it so easy.

The complain about how TV and the media tries to solidify female roles (IE, commercials with women cooking and washing dishes) and how fairy tales like Cinderella teach girls their place.

Meanwhile, people seem comfortable with roles for men as the sole bread-winners and providers, as soldiers who "do their duty."

When feminists bash Cinderella and point out how women were for the prince to choose, did the somehow miss the role of men in these stories? How the rich prince gets to choose from the lovely maidens, while the poor merchant ends up with a wretched second wife and ugly step-daughters? Moral of Cinderella for men: Only rich men with status get to choose; the poor have to settle for what they can get.

To cut things short, I'm not seeing the "equality" in feminism. Feminists are only concerned with WOMEN'S rights, and how the world is unfair to WOMEN.

There needs to be more of a men's rights movement. But words like "masculist" carry a different stigma of being selfish and chauvinistic. And I think this is due to the already solidified stereotypes of what men should be; stoic, unflinching. Men don't complain. Men don't bitch. Men take everything that comes their way and think nothing of it. Men are supposed to be disrepected and kicked around. It's what they're for.

Is there such thing as male alimony? What's the rate of men getting their kids after a divorce? Is it 50/50? Has there ever been cases where MEN get the house after a divorce?

It just sounds like feminism is out to make sure WOMEN get a good deal.

I'd like to see more of putting their money where their mouth is.

The recent story of the lesbian couple mutilating their newborn really pisses me the fuck off.

Equality my ass.

What's it going to take for men to abandon this apathatic attitude?

Men should like, not donate any more sperm. Let the womens create their own gametes. See how worthless we are.

I've been meaning to read more on Warren Farrell. He seems to have interesting points. I started reading "The Myth of Male Power" a while back, but got bogged down with work and haven't had a chance to finish reading it.

Need to get back to it...

[OracleYori]

That was a good post Joseph. I've gone on rants saying pretty much the same thing to my friends.

Note though, Chauvinism is extreme patriotism. Male chauvinism is the same but for gender and really feminism is chauvinism for their gender. Bashing men should never have been called feminism — because it's just misandronism.
(Yeah, noone else uses that word)

Men should bitch just as much. It's not like all of us are part of the "conspiracy" to keep everyone down.

Gender roles are an oddity anyway, it's not like it's okay for men to wear kilts (though they're rather nice in any weather and don't constrict the genitals) but it's okay for women to wear pants!

Yeah... I don't know where I was going with that.

[Joseph]

Case in point:

Father gets divorced, mother is threatening to take kids back to Japan.

Mother lies to the court, and despite the father's pleas, the court gives the mother the children, who then does exactly as the father said.

Now father's in Japan in jail for doing exactly what mother did in the US; tries to kidnap his own kids.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/relationships/news/article.cfm?c_id=41&objectid=10600890

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/09/29/Dad-in-jail-in-Japan-in-custody-battle/UPI-42221254251921/


http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=11171461
"He had the power, he had the power to keep those kids in my life, and he didn't care," Christopher added.

Thanks a lot, equality.

[admin]

Father gets divorced, mother is threatening to take kids back to Japan.

I think it ought to be illegal to live more than ten minutes away from your minor children.

[Tally]

Here is an interesting article: Where Are All the Men’s Organizations? (http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/09/17/where-are-all-the-mens-organizations)

[Joseph]

Men interested in men's rights beyond circumcision should check out Warren Farrell.

http://www.warrenfarrell.com/

From what I've read so far, he used to be only a feminist until he started noticing things...

[Jonzer514]

You know what... I regret making this thread lol... it was posted out of curiosity but I've decided I don't like where it went... all this talk of gender-specific groups leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

I'm for the rights of all people and have no interest in anything else... I didn't think about what I was really saying when I made this thread. It was a mistake, lol.

Any chance I could ask for this thread to be deleted?

[Bashar]

Feminists fight for the general rights of females.

We are fighting for the specific right of male infants, to bodily integrity.

I feel that the feminists that fought for the criminalization of FGM were selfish in disregarding MGM/RIC as a violation of human rights. With their help, we could have been so much further than we are right now. I am bothered by the fact they are so huge on "equality", yet they managed to create an amazing double standard between FGM and MGM. Instead of fighting for females rights to bodily integrity, they (and everyone else) SHOULD have been fighting for human rights to bodily integrity, long ago.

EXACTLY

[Joseph]

Instead of wishing you hadn't made this thread, could you elaborate on what you meant?

That's kind of selfish to want to delete an entire conversation because we can't read your mind.

[Bashar]

You know what... I regret making this thread lol... it was posted out of curiosity but I've decided I don't like where it went... all this talk of gender-specific groups leaves a bad taste in my mouth...

I'm for the rights of all people and have no interest in anything else... I didn't think about what I was really saying when I made this thread. It was a mistake, lol.

Any chance I could ask for this thread to be deleted?

you shouldn't worry about that, people tore my thread apart about the disappearing male and i'm fine with it. this forum is meant for discussion and there's plenty of threads to go around so nobody should bash anyone else. but differences in opinion will be here and some posters will say just the right thing to turn your thinking around.

[Jonzer514]

Instead of wishing you hadn't made this thread, could you elaborate on what you meant?

That's kind of selfish to want to delete an entire conversation because we can't read your mind.

Because it turned into a flame war against feminist... and then turned in to another topic about men's rights... and it went in every direction but the one I intended on.

OracleYori said it best when he said "They as a group should already have banded with us for the betterment of humanity anyway, as gender is a false barrier for rights in this age."

And after seeing that and reading more, it made me feel like I started a topic for a "group for male rights"... which is false and misleading...

I am for human rights and hope all of you are to. Yes, I am an activist against MGM (or at least I am trying to be), but my passion does not stop there to help others, it just happens to be what I've been focusing on the most right now.

[Joseph]

Because it turned into a flame war against feminist... and then turned in to another topic about men's rights... and it went in every direction but the one I intended on.

OracleYori said it best when he said "They as a group should already have banded with us for the betterment of humanity anyway, as gender is a false barrier for rights in this age."

And after seeing that and reading more, it made me feel like I started a topic for a "group for male rights"... which is false and misleading...

I am for human rights and hope all of you are to. Yes, I am an activist against MGM (or at least I am trying to be), but my passion does not stop there to help others, it just happens to be what I've been focusing on the most right now.

You need to realize, Jonzer, that you can't complain just because the conversation didn't exactly take the path that you wanted.

And you shouldn't "feel" like you "started" anything. Don't take it personally that other people have differing views than you. You put your thoughts out there. Either they weren't clear, or maybe, just maybe, things are not what you think.

"False" and "misleading" for whom?

You have to have faith that people on here are smart enough to read through a thread and understand how and when the twists and turns happened.

Don't be so hard on yourself because others don't agree with you.

You need to understand that no matter how you slice it, when you mention "equal rights," and any gender, whether it male or female, it will always boil down to an imbalance. A failure on one side or the other to carry out, achieve its stated goals.

There is a problem when people who call themselves both "feminists" and fighters for "equal rights" only look out for the "equal rights" of one gender.

You need to be careful when you asked such a politically charged question like "Are we the male version of feminist?"

That's a very loaded question, because it means many things for many people.

I used to think, for example, that all feminists were men hating lesbians.

To a degree, I still do, but I'm often placated by people who believe in the feminist movement, and tell me that that's not what it is at all. I'm told feminists try to set things straight; try to be equalizers. Equal rights for BOTH genders, or so I am told. I want to believe this, but what am I supposed to make of all the misandrist "feminist" literature out there?

What am I supposed to feel that in the present day US, where "women have made strides in equal rights," circumcision is banned outright for girls and women, but continues for men?

So when you ask such a question, I feel that there are not too many people that have that same fervency for men's rights, men's issues, as they have for women's rights, women's issues.

Today, right now, I feel feminism looks out for women, but leaves men standing in the rain.

When you ask a question, my answer to you would be, perhaps we are what a feminist is supposed to be for women...

Though such a movement for men, except for little forums like this, is practically non-existent.

Jonzer, don't be afraid to ask questions. Face them head on.

I often go into boards and on news commentary etc., and make comments on circumcision, and the conversation doesn't always "go where I want." But I don't give up and keep going, because I believe in my questions, and I believe someone out there is listening and "getting" what I say. I don't just hope it drowns out and dies, or someone deletes it.

Be stout, man. Courage.

If the conversation isn't heading where you "want it to go," elaborate!

[Yunus]

I think that all males have feminine side which is realized or not.
:D:D:D

[OracleYori]

I agree with Joseph's points.

The trick with feminism is that it went to a very bad place with extremists a wave or two ago ( I looked up feminism a while ago - it's an interesting topic). The extremists were very misandrist and that's unfortunately what stuck in the societal mind.

I don't think at all that we've started a flame war, I didn't see anything like that. My standards for that are derived from 4chan though, so I may be callous.

I think the main issue that I have is that there isn't a place for men to fight for their equality the way they want it.

Does anyone know how to start such a thing?

[Joseph]

I agree with Joseph's points.

The trick with feminism is that it went to a very bad place with extremists a wave or two ago ( I looked up feminism a while ago - it's an interesting topic). The extremists were very misandrist and that's unfortunately what stuck in the societal mind.

I don't think at all that we've started a flame war, I didn't see anything like that. My standards for that are derived from 4chan though, so I may be callous.

I think the main issue that I have is that there isn't a place for men to fight for their equality the way they want it.

Does anyone know how to start such a thing?

I believe you're smack in the middle of one.

[1Taoist]

A feminist cause is in response to a patriarchal society. They aren't going to help the people responsible for- the cause of -their unequal rights, especially intact-rights when it is US that do this thing to us. Men promote circ and in fact created it. That's like women beating up women and asking men to help (which actually is the case, in a weird way, sometimes). That'd be like women trying to enlist the help of us in the work place for equal pay when all the board of directors shorting their pay are women.

[Jonzer514]

You need to be careful when you asked such a politically charged question like "Are we the male version of feminist?"

That's a very loaded question, because it means many things for many people.

That is what I really didn't think about. When I made the title/topic of this thread, it was because of one thing... we're trying our hardest to improve the lives of other men... similar to how feminist women try to improve the lives of females. Simple as that.

I wasn't aware of all the small details that would come in to play. I asked the question "Are we the male version of feminist?" and had meant for it to be a broad discussion on human rights, because like I said... feminist seem to fight for the rights of people and I wanted to know if they were helping our cause as well. Or at the very least, if they would hear our cries to stop MGM.

The topic just went sour IMO, that's all.

Before you guys jump to conclusions about feminist only looking out for themselves, you don't know that they're not on our side. I talked to a few already that said they were against MGM just as much as FGM.

[OracleYori]

The trickiest bit is that we (I'm generalizing because I myself) don't hear or see them standing up in the media.

If anyone has a place to read things about current wing feminism and how it's helping all people's rights I'd really like a link or book title or anything.

I should apologize for my broad statements though, It's not like there is only one feminist group that runs (and has) all feminists everywhere, just like saying our society is patriarchal gives me any bonus on power over anyone.

Also, why even bother dividing GM into categories by gender?

In relation to Taoist's post, why not ask for help from anyone?
Maybe I have too simple a world view so that I can say that discrimination is discrimination regardless of who does it?

Edit: Whoa! Looking through Wiki I've found a lot of info on these things... though it's rather difficult to run these things through my mind.
I don't have enough information to continue this discussion...

[Jonzer514]

Real quick reply, I have to go to work.

I state the difference between MGM and FGM instead of just saying GM because as of now, FGM has been made illegal in the US but MGM is still considered a "normal" operation, for the most part.

I understand what you mean though, it would be good to just group it all together but then you'll have tons of people screaming about how much worse FGM is and blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit cry cry cry etc etc etc.

[Someone mundane]

I don't think at all that we've started a flame war, I didn't see anything like that. My standards for that are derived from 4chan though, so I may be callous.

This. The arguments and insults that may go on here are nothing more than mere child's play by comparison to that place. Having observed some of that at the very least hardens you.

Anyway, as for the rest of this threads subject matter, I'd have to agree... For most things. The articles posted had a few interesting comments as well. Not specifically about circ, though.

I understand what you mean though, it would be good to just group it all together but then you'll have tons of people screaming about how much worse FGM is and blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit cry cry cry etc etc etc.

I simply adore the way you've put this. That's really all it amounts to in my view as well. It's too stupid...

[cobra]

I never got a job because I had a penis. I never got a raise because I had a penis. No one ever gave me a break, a shoulder to lean on or any sympathy for anything. The myth of male priviledge is exactly that... a myth. Like every man on this forum, I learned early to "shut up and take it". It starts right at birth.

[Jonzer514]

I never got a job because I had a penis. I never got a raise because I had a penis. No one ever gave me a break, a shoulder to lean on or any sympathy for anything. The myth of male priviledge is exactly that... a myth. Like every man on this forum, I learned early to "shut up and take it". It starts right at birth.

I understand this and feel your pain... really I do... missed out on plenty of jobs because I'm a guy.... but... the reason I got mad earlier was because this IS NOT the thread to talk about that... please, if you want to discuss more about it start another topic and I'll join you there to talk more.

[Joseph]

I understand this and feel your pain... really I do... missed out on plenty of jobs because I'm a guy.... but... the reason I got mad earlier was because this IS NOT the thread to talk about that... please, if you want to discuss more about it start another topic and I'll join you there to talk more.

Jonzer, I hope you realize you're being a bit rude.

What precisely DID you intend this thread to be about?

Because either cobra's right on topic, or your title is misleading.

You haven't exactly elaborated about what you exactly meant to talk about in this thread.

Could you?

*EDIT*

Earlier you said:

[I] meant for it to be a broad discussion on human rights, because like I said... feminist seem to fight for the rights of people and I wanted to know if they were helping our cause as well. Or at the very least, if they would hear our cries to stop MGM.

...

Before you guys jump to conclusions about feminist only looking out for themselves, you don't know that they're not on our side. I talked to a few already that said they were against MGM just as much as FGM.

The title already puts an "us and them" wedge between what we do and feminism.

If, in your eyes, and from your experience, feminists look out for us, what was your purpose in starting this thread?

Your assumption that feminists look out for the rights of all is not immediately self-evident in the title of this thread. It is also quite pretentious of you to think that all other guys view feminism the way you do.

If you are not happy with the way this thread is going, perhaps you assumed too much.

I hope this serves as a learning experience.

No. Not everyone thinks feminists are out to look for everyone's equal rights; some of us think that feminists only look out for the rights, advantages and privileges of women.

I think a better question would have been "Do you think that feminists and mens groups should coalesce and become a single Human Rights group for people of ALL sexes?"

Or something of the sort.

Rather than run people out because you your title is misleading, why not create a new thread phrasing your question differently?

[Jonzer514]

Jonzer, I hope you realize you're being a bit rude.

What precisely DID you intend this thread to be about?

Because either cobra's right on topic, or your title is misleading.

You haven't exactly elaborated about what you exactly meant to talk about in this thread.

Could you?

Nah, fuck it... you guys can have the thread, I'll be elsewhere lol.

[Joseph]

Nah, fuck it... you guys can have the thread, I'll be elsewhere lol.

Thanks...

...i...

guess...

:confused:

[1Taoist]

Elsewhere givin lady-boy massage to nasty mens?

Do your nipples hurt, Jonzer? Or are you just hangin out with Chaz Bono too much and not gettin enough uhtention?

Cunty posting will not get your foreskin back.

[imahokie]

Well despite the OPs objections I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread. Also Cobra's and Josephs posts are spot on IMO. Thanks for the Warren Farrell link btw.

I really get annoyed by such a strong female bias in society. Last year I took a sociology class as it was required. I found it incredibly ironic that most of the class was talking about how hard life was for women and blacks.

[OracleYori]

I gotta say this discussion got me to read up a lot more on feminism... unfortunately that just disturbed my worldview a bit more.

I don't suggest reading anything the extreme feminists published.
Gendercide should never be discussed lightly and I don't know how anyone can bandy it about.

(I also read up on what a flame war is and this thread is certainly not one. No personal attacks, no completely hostile attitudes and I don't think I saw any trolling behavior.)

Women shouldn't be considered a minority for benefit anyway since they are probably half the population and vote in larger numbers than males (in the US) and that makes them the majority.

[Joseph]

Sadly to some people:

not hearing what you want to hear/hearing unpleasant realities = "flamewar"

having a weak argument = "people are hi-jacking the conversation"

[imahokie]

I did think that it was interesting that males are born in larger numbers than females in almost every country, but females typically outnumber males becuase of higher life expectancy.

edit: I was looking through CIA world factbook.

[Joseph]

I did think that it was interesting that males are born in larger numbers than females in almost every country, but females typically outnumber males becuase of higher life expectancy.

edit: I was looking through CIA world factbook.

I was seeing a Discovery Channel documentary called "The Science of The Sexes."

Someone on there was arguing that men tend to live less because in the past, that was the life expectancy. Because men did all the hunting, gathering and fighting, they were expected to die sooner, whereas the women lived a lot longer, seeing as they had to stay home keeping watch and raising the chil'en.

I was reading elsewhere something similar, that since life expectancy has increased, men and women suffer a whole aray of problems; i.e, since a woman wasn't expected to live that old, this is why they experience menopause - women died earlier and thus the body didn't feel the need to keep producing hormones. Similarly, a swollen prostate in a man...

But these are all just hypotheses given by doctors who think they have an answer, so who really knows...

[Jonzer514]

Elsewhere givin lady-boy massage to nasty mens?

Do your nipples hurt, Jonzer? Or are you just hangin out with Chaz Bono too much and not gettin enough uhtention?

Cunty posting will not get your foreskin back.

Wtf is this shit? I bowed out gracefully considering how most of you asshats were acting and you gonna try to go say some shit to me? Fuck you, you faggot.

What the fuck have any of you idiots done for our community? I've talked multiple parents out of circumcision their sons. I've written e-mails, comments, and practically wrote a book to help people understand our problem with how and what circumcision is in the US.

I started a topic to try to help us understand our selves a bit more, and you idiots turned it in to a huge flame war against feminist, which really had very little to do with the actual subject, then some how I'm the bad guy when I want no part in bad mouthing someone else? Fucking amazing.

Well, have fun everyone. I'll not be visiting this board anymore since it's inhabited by dumb asses.

[Joseph]

Shit man, how old are you? Still in highschool?

Aren't you cute; you used the word "asshat." Where'd you learn it? Homeroom?

Just how were we "asshats" acting? Could you elaborate? I don't expect much from you, seeing as you couldn't even finish this topic.

Look, this isn't a contest. I've talked people out of cutting their kids. So have you. What do you want, a cookie?

Sorry, son, if we're not "getting" what you're trying to say, and all of us are "asshats," maybe there's something wrong with your English?

No one "turns" threads into anything, man. You need to learn the meaning of the words you use.

Wtf is this shit? I bowed out gracefully considering how most of you asshats were acting and you gonna try to go say some shit to me? Fuck you, you faggot.

...I'm the bad guy when I want no part in bad mouthing someone else? Fucking amazing.

You're still here it seems. It doesn't sound like you've "bowed out gracefully." You're still here bitching up a storm.

If it wasn't a flamewar before, now it is.

Well, have fun everyone. I'll not be visiting this board anymore since it's inhabited by dumb asses.

Either bow out, or stay.

Whatever you do, watch your language.

[cobra]

Uh... wow. LOL! Do you know how many times my posts have been hi-jacked, flamed, trolled and misunderstood? It's an internet forum. You need to chill out and let shit roll off your back.

I believe in equal rights... but not in equal potential. Some people are just fucking stupid and no amount of legislation and political bitching is going to help Ms. Dirty Blonde Suckcock land that corporate CEO job. A smart woman who is driven and ambitious has no limits, even in a "man's world". Still, 99% of the time, feminism is a crutch for limited or lazy women, a nice scapegoat for her failures. "Not my fault. It's a man's world and they're shutting me out." Same goes for anyone else who identifies as a "downtrodden minority".

I own my own business. No one ever gave me a break or a loan or anything. Bank told me I could borrow 5 grand one time if I had 5 grand in the bank. This was a female loan officer, btw. I laughed and said if I had 5 grand I wouldn't need to borrow it. So I started small. I rented an empty lot and sold shrubs and flowers and shit bought wholesale from a local nursery. I worked day in and day out and saved my money til I had enough to rent a building and buy a cash register. Made my shelves DIY and stocked my store with my own collection of movies and video games. Worked it myself and reinvested my profit every week. 11 hour a day. One day off a week. 7 years later I own a nice big videogame/dvd shop that pulls $18,000 a month (double that in winter months). I work about 5 hours a day now, 5 days a week... ;) I'm not rich, but I'm doing fine.

Point is, I do not really consider myself a male feminist. Indentifying as a downtrodden minority is a guarantee that you will never break through that imaginary wall. It's just an excuse. I'm not anything special. I came from nothing. Hell, we were so poor we had a fucking outhouse. I'm talking big time hillbilly, fuck your cousin poor. But I am a driven person. I never stop until I have what I want. I make no excuses for myself, and I learn from my mistakes.

There's no word for what a real restorer is. It's not about doing nothing, tho. Making excuses. It's about taking your dick in your hand and changing it into what you want it to be through sheer determination and stubbornness. You do that with your entire life and you will get somewhere.

Or you can be downtrodden.

Have fun with that.

[OracleYori]

Thanks for that post Cobra. I'm needing to restore my life so to speak and it was pretty charged.

As far as the OP, it doesn't seem that we are the male version of feminists.
We are just one group wanting an old barbaric practice viewed as what it really is and help people regain some of the dignity of a human being if they feel violated.

Feminist is a very loaded word (Warren Farrell has three divisions; Empowerment, Victim and Competitive) and shouldn't be used without describing what feminist group or viewpoint of the people you have in mind. There have been people that are just misandrists calling themselves feminists and these are the people that unfortunately form the prototype image of a feminist in people's minds.

You asked for thoughts, ideas and comments and the members responded.
It was rather ironic that your response to it was playing the victim and lashing out with degrading words and anger. The only flame behavior I saw was 1Taoist (which I can't condone) and your vicious response.

What this thread did finally was get some people to become more informed about feminism, masculism and how GI might fit — even if it didn't appear in your thread.

[Yunus]

Stop the disputes in this thread,please.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Tally]

There's no word for what a real restorer is. It's not about doing nothing, tho. Making excuses. It's about taking your dick in your hand and changing it into what you want it to be through sheer determination and stubbornness. You do that with your entire life and you will get somewhere.

Or you can be downtrodden.
Mighty true words, those.

[frizzen]

With the exception of the "this isn't going right" and the name-calling and flaming going on around that, this is a very interesting thread. If you want to steer a topic, do so but realize it's like hearding cats; if not, let it run its course and make a new more specific thread that better addresses what you're getting at. It's a forum, we talk, we go off topic, thread hijacks are the norm and not even a "DB Cooper Lock" on the door will stop it from happening. We all come from different backgrounds and perspectives, that's why it works. You know how BORING it is when everyone always agrees about everything? On another board I lurk on, there's a saying about you can give 100 people a crawler kit, and you'll get 115 builds with all of them different. It's not bad at all, just not what you always expect.


To the original question about the male/female gender activists: Short answer, Yes. Long answer, It depends.

Yes, we (ok, some of us. others just whine and refuse to do anything) are being activists for a cause that's mostly a male thing. End Male Genital Mutilation. If it weren't already banned, most of us would be fighting for ending ALL forced genital mutilation.

It depends, because a lot of us are just focused on this ONE issue, others have done enough research that they are out for much more equality. There are a LOT of rights that our fathers have let slip because they were too busy trying to fit their gender role and being a good provider for his family instead of dropping everything to run to Washington to tell the idiots that they're not looking out for the best interests of those who voted for them.

Personally, I'm an activist for the betterment of humanity, my cause is genital mutilation. I care about others, but this one affects me the most. I talk to people about more of them, but this is the only one I have bumper stickers for or protest about.