Why you don't chop things off...

[Unregistered]

the human body for NO REASON: you are messing with shit you DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND.


Humans Have Hidden Sensory System
posted: 08 December 2009 10:34 am ET

The human body may be equipped with a separate sensory system aside from the nerves that gives us the ability to touch and feel, according to a new study.

Most of us have millions of different types of nerve endings just beneath the skin that let us feel our surroundings. However, the once-hidden and recently discovered skin sense, found in two patients, is located throughout the blood vessels and sweat glands, and most of us don't even notice it's there.

"It's almost like hearing the subtle sound of a single instrument in the midst of a symphony," said senior author Frank Rice, a neuroscience professor at Albany Medical College in New York. "It is only when we shift focus away from the nerve endings associated with normal skin sensation that we can appreciate the sensation hidden in the background."

ww w.livescience.com/health/091208-hidden-sensory-system.html

[1Taoist]

Interesting. The chi moves the blood, but the mind moves the chi. The body is a mind. This is why the Chinese believe the heart and mind are one- the heart pumps the blood thru the body. And we can feel with the heart.

[Unregistered]

Interesting. The chi moves the blood, but the mind moves the chi. The body is a mind. This is why the Chinese believe the heart and mind are one- the heart pumps the blood thru the body. And we can feel with the heart.

I really don't mean to be disrespectful, but this isn't about mystical eastern claptrap. This is about actual science showing that the human body is even more complex than imagined and that skin itself plays a huge role in sensation.

In turn, this really should make people seriously wakeup about cutting off EROGENOUS TISSUE from infants.

Science and rationalism have limits, but they're a lot more persuasive and powerful than just talking about silly things like "chi".

Please. Yoga and meditation are nice and feel great and are very positive. But they can be explained rationally. It's a lot more persuasive to talk about science to people than stuff like "chi", and persuasion counts when trying to end circumcision.

[OracleYori]

Hey anon3, no need for being against things. Science is good and all but it's not the be all end all (after all it is it's extremists that promote this).

Ever hear of metaphor?

What is sickness other than a demon that proper rituals banish?

Just because science hasn't named a concept again doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[londong]

I really don't mean to be disrespectful, but this isn't about mystical eastern claptrap. This is about actual science showing that the human body is even more complex than imagined and that skin itself plays a huge role in sensation.

In turn, this really should make people seriously wakeup about cutting off EROGENOUS TISSUE from infants.

Science and rationalism have limits, but they're a lot more persuasive and powerful than just talking about silly things like "chi".

Please. Yoga and meditation are nice and feel great and are very positive. But they can be explained rationally. It's a lot more persuasive to talk about science to people than stuff like "chi", and persuasion counts when trying to end circumcision.

look, you come across as arrogant. anyway just so you know the same facts that you are using to argue that cutting erogenous tissue away is bad for sensitivity can be used to argue that cutting erogenous tissue away is not actually the primary cause of sensitivty loss. ie cutting the nerves is important but its whats happening underneath that may matter more. and this may not be purely physical. in fact I can go as far as to say that most people on here are feeling the mental and emotional effects of circumcision as opposed to the physical sensatory loss anyway.

oh and yoga and meditation cannot be explained in their entirety by rational logic alone.

[Americut]

I can go as far as to say that most people on here are feeling the mental and emotional effects of circumcision as opposed to the physical sensatory loss anyway.
Lets keep in mind that circ results in the constant exposing of both the glans and mucosa, in most cases. By exposing these structures which are usually internal, you are directly altering the physical state of them. This is not emotional, nor mental. We all know well enough about the keratin accumulation. Again, not mental. I could also add that there are a good number of men on here that have overcome (to some degree, and some more than others) the emotional side of this, and are continuing to feel improvements in the physical. I'll add myself to that group because for the most part, I am well over the depression and dwelling. I really dont do that anymore. Yet with time, I notice more and more physical sensation. Call it whatever reason, but in having a sex partner I can say that she also notices the physical difference. Excuse me, if this isn't really what you were addressing.

[londong]

Lets keep in mind that circ results in the constant exposing of both the glans and mucosa, in most cases. By exposing these structures which are usually internal, you are directly altering the physical state of them. This is not emotional, nor mental. We all know well enough about the keratin accumulation. Again, not mental. I could also add that there are a good number of men on here that have overcome (to some degree, and some more than others) the emotional side of this, and are continuing to feel improvements in the physical. I'll add myself to that group because for the most part, I am well over the depression and dwelling. I really dont do that anymore. Yet with time, I notice more and more physical sensation. Call it whatever reason, but in having a sex partner I can say that she also notices the physical difference. Excuse me, if this isn't really what you were addressing.

Hi I wasn't directly addressing the ins and outs of the physical vs mental benefits.

And the comment of mine that you highlighted was used merely to point out that the article posted by anon can be used to infer many things, not just whatever point he was trying to make. The same goes for most articles, statistics, studies etc whatver the results are they can be used for any argument pro or against.

Anyway if you knew what I am going through right now with regards to my bits down there you will know that I pray that restoration is the solution to my problems in the future and that sensitivity and a pain free penis can be regained with moer skin.

But since it has been brought up, I have no doubt that there is some sensory loss if a circ is performed in adulthood, what I cannot conclude is if this is the case for most baby mutilations as those guys have had much more time to regenerate nerves. And we dont know exactly how the brain or the nerve pathways or "chi" work yet.

Physical and mental are linked intrinsically so the physical benefits that people are finding MAY be due to a heightened emotional state, release of endorphins, hope or whatever that leads to an enhanced physical feeling. An easy example is feeling ticklish. If someone tickles my feet without me knowing I jump, but if I concentrate on overcoming the ticklish feeling and am aware its being done, I have a higher threshold. That means it is not purely physical and there is something else controlling sensation rather than just the physical receptors.

what do you think?

[Americut]

Physical and mental are linked intrinsically so the physical benefits that people are finding MAY be due to a heightened emotional state, release of endorphins, hope or whatever that leads to an enhanced physical feeling. An easy example is feeling ticklish. If someone tickles my feet without me knowing I jump, but if I concentrate on overcoming the ticklish feeling and am aware its being done, I have a higher threshold. That means it is not purely physical and there is something else controlling sensation rather than just the physical receptors.

what do you think?
I wont say its not possible that some of the increase in sensation could be psychological, but I must say that the sensitivity in my frenulum remnant (which has returned to about what it was when I was a young boy) is not emotional. Nor is the change in sensitivity of my glans and mucosa. This is a complete physical change in feeling. However, yes I am excited by this mere fact and perhaps I am even more appreciative of these sensations than I ever would have been, otherwise. This appreciation is psychological/emotional. So this is may be a cooperative change.

As for me, I dont withstand a tickling even if I know its going to happen/is happening/etc. Can not bear it. So I guess I can't say much about that one. On a related note, the ticklish sensations in my frenulum remnant are unmistakable. I sometimes crack a slight laugh due to the overwhelming feeling, and yes I think I can say that this laugh is an emotional reaction to the physical sensation. Cant it be said that this emotional state is a direct product of the increased physical state, and not always the other way around?

(EDIT: Fixed a spelling error here, and on my quote in the following post. Sorry for that! :O)

[londong]

I wont say its not possible that some of the increase in sensation could be psychological, but I must say that the sensitivity in my frenulum remnant (which has returned to about what it was when I was a young boy) is not emotional. Nor is the change in sensitivity of my glans and mucosa. This is a complete physical change in feeling. However, yes I am excited by this mere fact and perhaps I am even more appreciative of these sensations than I ever would have been, otherwise. This appreciation is psychological/emotional. So this is may be a cooperative change.

As for me, I dont withstand a tickling even if I know its going to happen/is happening/etc. Can not bear it. So I guess I can't say much about that one. On a related note, the ticklish sensations in my frenulum remnant are unmistakable. I sometimes crack a slight laugh due to the overwhelming feeling, and yes I think I can say that this laugh is an emotional reaction to the physical sensation. Cant it be said that this emotional state is a direct product of the increased physical state, and not always the other way around?

of course it can

and the fact that it is a matter of perception and a chicken and egg type situation almost proves why some "mystical eastern" folk believe the body is an extension of the mind and vice versa. Claptrap to some though!