restoration with intact frenulum

[themis98]

can anyone give advice as to what method/device works the bst for guys with intact frenulums? i have a little bit of skin anyway, so i guess i'm looking to stretch as opposed to restore. i've tried the film cannister method described on the tlc tugger website, but found that it really irritated my frenulum. i'm concerned that any tugger would do the same. perhaps weights?

any thoughts or input is appreciated.

[ss748]

since no one else has posted i will although I am also new here so others advice may be better, i also still have a frenulum but luckily the skin is still loose (about CI3)

i have been using the TLC packer and it does not seem to bother the frenulum, the design allows you to decide how much skin to grab, so I just have it grab a little of the frenulum side and focus on the rest of the skin since it needs stretched considerably more then the frenulum does

I only used for a few hours a day and gradually move up, I would suggest going slow at first, just use it till it starts to feel irritated, and do manual tugging to loosen the skin up a bit

there's also a TLC tugger for intact frenulums that is notched so it puts less stresss on the frenulum

[jdawg81]

I saw that too, but you have to be careful not to break the frenulum (which is actually a problem for uncut guys too if their skin gets pulled back too far too shaply) If you pull to hard on it could break, and it will take forever for it to heal and when it does heal the tissue is more rigid (because it would the be partially made of up of scar tissue) which would make it harder on you later. Or IMHO.

[Sirrah]

I tore what was left of my frenulum using the DTR. I think you'll have problems with any dual tension device UNLESS you modify it (as Chuck, the maker of the DTR advised me to do). Just cut out a notch to make room for the frenulum on the "plunger" part of the DTR. It works okay, but it's still dual tension, so you'll have to live with a little bit of discomfort (or pain, depending on how hard you're tugging).

By the way, I've found that taking a day off here and there (especially when I'm on long plane rides...just got back to Moscow yesterday after a 13 hour ride from Los Angeles) does wonders.

Whatever you do, keep tugging or retaining. It's sooooo worth it. I'm now at a solide CI-5, no doubts about it. I'll be putting new pictures tonight on my blog at www.geocities.com/sirrah_ru if you wanna take a look.

Sirrah

[pmg28]

I decided to use an older thread, instead of start a new one. This title caught my eye because I am still "lucky" enough to have a frenulum. :cool:

Anyway, below are some pics. (nothing like putting yourself out on the 'net, but I figure this is safe and honest spot to do that). If you could take a look, fellas, and tell me if I am doing this right. I have been at this now for two weeks.

Left to right:

Picture 1) Is this the correct way to strap? I go over the knee because I am sitting at the desk as well as walking at work all day, but see how the clipped part tends to get pulled up on the outside of the knee? That doesn't seem right - looking for a better way.

Picture 2) I am trying not to use too much tension - most times the tugger is comfortable & I don't feel it. But what are these tender areas (circled) that appear? The one nearest the corona is probably from touching the bottom of the tugger piece, but the spot further down is usually at the end of the bunched up skin tube. Is that the stress point where the skin is being pulled, and if so, is that a safe thing? I have generally been tugging about 10 hours a day only, then just retaining with the cone the rest of the time.

Picture 3) is from today - the scar is red and wrinkly....is that also ok?

THANKS for any input / comments you can offer this newbie. ;)

[Toveri]

The little welts look normal to me. I get a whole ring of them around the circumfence, but they go away quickly. I think it is just important that they do that and not become a blister and break, leaving room for infection.

I usually attache the safety pin about halfway between my cock and my knee and clip it on there. It seems to be less likely to be bumped there. But you are certainly doing everything right, I think. And it looks like you have a lot to work with, too.

[pmg28]

^ Since taking that photo, now I have started getting a ring of "welts" too. You're right, they go away quickly. But any additional details, i.e. is this safe?

I kind of wish there was more info. to read about what to expect during the restoration process, but then again it is different for everybody. Some topics you can read tons about, but with restoration there is mostly just the forum boards.

As far as having a lot to work with - well, I guess. It is still somewhat tight, but I feel for those guys who are starting out with a CI-1 or such and are in a much more difficult situation. :(

[fish tacos]

^ Since taking that photo, now I have started getting a ring of "welts" too. You're right, they go away quickly. But any additional details, i.e. is this safe?:(

It's possible the little "welts" you see are simply edema, or fluid accumulation, in the skin due to the stresses of tugging with a tapeless device. I don't have a TLC, but perhaps there is something about its specific shape that makes the little bumps more likely to occur.

I'm working now with a DTR and CAT II Q, and tried the TugAhoy when it first became available. All work on the same principles.

Your skin can change in appearance using tapeless tools--they compress a double layer of skin between two mating surfaces to get a grip. Often, a distinct wrinkle is left at the point where the skin rolls over inside the tugger. There may also be some reddening of the skin.

I find it helpful to periodically remove the tugger and gently massage the skin to ensure good blood flow. Give your skin a careful inspection each day of use. Generally, the biggest troubles are excessive tension and/or capturing folds of skin in the tugger. Both problems are usually signaled pretty quickly by tingling or burning sensations. Always stop, remove, and inspect if you begin to feel discomfort. Remember that increased tension squishes the captured skin more forcefully, at some point inhibiting blood circulation, so use lots of common sense and pay close attention to the signals your body gives you.

When starting FR I tried to keep my tension at 1lb or less. At that time I was using T-tapes, and the limiting factor was tape adhesion. Tapeless tuggers can easily hold fast at extreme tensions far beyond any sane level. Don't fall into the temptation to hurry things along by getting aggressive in your tugging. The tortoise always wins this race.

Best of luck.

[likes]

I am curious about this too as I have a fair amount of frenulum left. Aside from the practicalities of tugging with a frenulum does having one affect the end result? Would there be any difference between a restored foreskin with a frenulum and without in terms of structure rather than sensation?

L!

[Distalero]

I am curious about this too as I have a fair amount of frenulum left. Aside from the practicalities of tugging with a frenulum does having one affect the end result? Would there be any difference between a restored foreskin with a frenulum and without in terms of structure rather than sensation?

L!

In a word, "no". No one who was circumcized has enough of the frenulum and the structure it's continuous with, to affect the skin tube. This is one reason why I use the term 'skin tube', rather than "restored foreskin", because restoration pretty much doesn't give us more than a skin tube, with reference to structure.

You can, during the restoration process, grow some additional frenulum tissue (I have, a bit, without focusing on it in any way), but it is in no way similar to what an intact guy has, and it's supposed structural function is not the same.

This becomes an issue for some of us, because the skin tube will continue to roll back behind (and eventually, slightly over) the corona, despite having grown a fair volume of skin. You have to grow a LOT of skin tube to reach near constant coverage; a lot more than new folks realize. You have to grow enough to counterbalance, by volume and probably weight, the tendency to roll back.

[ForeMeCA]

In a word, "no". No one who was circumcized has enough of the frenulum and the structure it's continuous with, to affect the skin tube.

Really? Thats funny cuz my ENTIRE frenulum is intact and I am circumcised.

[d0122]

Really? Thats funny cuz my ENTIRE frenulum is intact and I am circumcised.

i do too. it is basically a 'V' shape with the shaft skin connecting to the bottom of the frenulum. if i pull the skin forward, it looks the same as a frenulum on an intact penis.

I think that this would affect the restoration result, because if inner and outer skin is expanding from the scar line, there will be only shaft skin expanding under the frenulum because of the 'V' shape. because of this, the frenulum will most likely not grow and become more prominent once you develop more skin, and will probably restrict the skin being pulled down the whole way like it does on an intact penis. of course we still have no frenar band, but having an intact frenulum would DEFINITELY result in a more natural looking restoration.

[ForeMeCA]

i do too. it is basically a 'V' shape with the shaft skin connecting to the bottom of the frenulum. if i pull the skin forward, it looks the same as a frenulum on an intact penis.

I think that this would affect the restoration result, because if inner and outer skin is expanding from the scar line, there will be only shaft skin expanding under the frenulum because of the 'V' shape. because of this, the frenulum will most likely not grow and become more prominent once you develop more skin, and will probably restrict the skin being pulled down the whole way like it does on an intact penis. of course we still have no frenar band, but having an intact frenulum would DEFINITELY result in a more natural looking restoration.

I completely agree with you! You can see my pics of my frenulum under the Progress page, ForeMeCA. It is like a V shaped web. I also decided to restore because I was tired of people asking me why I had so much skin on my dick. Whoever circed me as a baby didn't finish the job, thank God, and left my frenulum and extra skin. In fact, I don't even use lube or lotion when I masturbate, it just glides.

[Pedantic Nuts]

I have a mostly intact frenulum that goes about halfway up my glans. I restore with the TLC tugger and it puts no more stress on the frenulum than the rest of my penis.

[greg_b]

Keep in mind the shape of your glans. You skin naturally bunches up and forms a wrinkled area at that point, at least mine does. And I was left with almost no inner skin. In fact, now at the stage I am at, it looks like I have a frenulum. Maybe I do, it all depends on how you want to define it. A place where the froeskin bunches up and has a wrinkled, prominant appearance? Or as a specialized part of the foreskin on an intact male?

Regards

[d0122]

im pretty sure my frenulum is still intact and not just bunched up skin looking like a frenulum.
as you can see in the pictures, it is attached directly to the glans and any tension on it will pull the glans down, restricting the skin from going any further like normal. Also, it is quite thick and doesn't smooth out like most frenulums ive seen on circumcised penises. It is also attached to the shaft skin, so would probably not expand during restoration as skin is normally expanded from around the circ scar.