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Distalero
June 16th, 2007, 12:54
The real title of this post should be Reality Check. By no means do I want to step on anyone's motivation (my constant exhortation is to continue on), but every once in a while someone needs to remind us of the general realities of restoration. .

1. Appearance vs device/method: I began this whole thing about 4 years ago, with this issue uppermost in my mind, too. Now I realize I haven't thought about it for years.
Now, I'm willing to accept that maybe that's all some restorers will ever have as the only goal. I just read a post, though, where a person was concerned about finding THE device to use so that the result was (and I may be paraphrasing here), "clean and natural". No single method or device will ever guarantee anything but what will actually happen if you continue on with restoration. This may not be anyone's strict definition of clean and natural. So, you might as well choose something and begin. What we do is not true "restoration" of that tissue which was taken from us. What we DO do, is grow new tissue to cover existing structures, corona, glans, et al, and WE do that with our manipulations and efforts, our guessing and experimentation, not the device on it's own. Ain't no magic bullet, folks, just reasonable methods, to effect an unnatural practice (restoration) with no guarantee.

Do the newer folks realize that what's required is far more skin than just "down to the tip"? You have to grow enough skin to completely counterbalance any pull back towards the pubis, in all situations. Takes a ton of skin, people, if you want coverage in all situations. This may not conform with some concept of appearance.

So: will "appearance" be the primary goal, after a while, for most of us? I doubt it, not for most who stay with this process. I haven't seen a reference to the dreaded "loose sock" here, but believe me, I'd take a loose sock if it meant reaching the goal of constant coverage, any day. Thing to remember, though, is that Nature herself has bestowed loose natural foreskins to some intact guys, some long, some short so it's not any sort of unnatural phenomenon to begin with (and certainly not the "perfect" image of what seems to be expected by circumcized guys), and also, what many restorers, including yours truly, have experienced is the dartos tunic aiding in keeping the skin tube relatively tight to the glans most of the time. But that's if you have something approaching reliable coverage (big "if").

2. The real goal: I seldom see any reference to the true magic that happens with coverage. I suspect this is because many folks on forums are new to the process, and as such we all think we are the baseline of experience. We don't know what truly exists until we put in the time and discover it (bit ironical, there: you have to cover to discover).

"Coverage" refers to any sort of coverage that keeps the glans and what old inner mucosa they left you with, which can range from the skin tube you yourself grew, or just cross taping loose shaft skin over the glans. If you have enough to cross tape, you have magic on your horizon. Keep things covered long enough and you will experience a profound and increasing sensation of pleasure; pleasure you can share with another human being, with your approach to life itself. THIS is the real natural gift that was stripped away from you, not "looking" like something. A fundamental change in pleasure takes a while to appear, and in my case it has intermittently continued to grow. Good news. As you get older, loss of sensation becomes much more of an issue, although I've read posts from young guys who already suffer from little sensation from an organ designed for this. Think about it. Nature/God/Existence/Whatever meant for you to interact in this world, at times through ecstacy. How's that for a radical concept. It was your birthright. You can too, if want to put in the time and effort to achieve this. Standing there, looking "natural" has nothing to do with this. Coverage of abraded, neurologically overwhelmed tissue does.

So: tug with whatever means or method, don't worry about appearance or the "right" device (other than the right one for you: one you can live with over time), because whether you know it or not, you are restoring much more, much deeper than just a skin tube.

QBMan
June 17th, 2007, 21:44
Distalero:

You speak most profoundly in this post and most truthfully. When it comes to final appearance, we may have to settle for what we can accomplish. Worrying about it is counter-productive. This is not to say we can't try different things and maybe some devices will, for some, give a better finish; other devices will work better for others. Yes, there are no guarantees; and certainly, nothing guarantees that we will find and use the right device or technique that would have given us that "clean and natural" look.

That being said, however, if one takes the time to study natural foreskins, you'll find that they are as varied as our results might be. Some guys have long 'anteater trunks'; others are fairly loose and even 'ragged' looking; some are like 'ball-point pens' with the glans peeking out, even flaccid. I don't know how many times I've looked at a photo of an intact guy and thought, "Hell, mine looks like that right now!" So while there are no guarantees for our final outcomes, take solice in the fact that the 'natural' guys don't always look as natural as some of us do at varying stages of our restorations. Perhaps it could be asked, "What IS natural?" I guess the original skin didn't come with any warranty card either.:rolleyes:

alex673
June 18th, 2007, 04:44
Don, as usual, you have hit the nail on the head fair and square.

I have also lost count of the amount of times I've heard "I want full erect coverage". I recall when still at high school in the showers after sport seeing some of the lucky "majority" naked, and I would say only a couple of them had what appeared to be enough to give them erect coverage. Most seemed to be "peeking out" of their foreskins, and some appeared to have only 1/2 coverage when flaccid.

At the moment, I am just about at "rollover" stage, and can't wait to have permanent coverage of some type. Full erect coverage is something I am sure that we would all love to have, but the fact is, not everyone has it. I would be happy to have some overhang when flaccid, but something tells me I will be lucky to have half coverage...

Just my 2 cents worth.

KOT

Alex

RandyL
June 18th, 2007, 05:11
I go to a couple free porn sites regularly, and on them I see photos and videos of men with women, and even a transsexual sometimes, with varying amounts of foreskin coverage. There's quite a variety. I've found myself staring at photos of men's dicks only because they had foreskins like what I want to have someday.

The one site I can find the most foreskin photos on is at freedailyporn dot com. Scroll down to the large red words, and click on the one that says "1000 free galleries". It gets updated every day and there's a good variety there. Each day's update usually has a couple links to tranny photos, and they are mostly uncut.

taoist
June 18th, 2007, 09:17
Another site that is good for seeing the variations in foreskins is LPSG.org (Large Penis Support Group). Yes, it seems guys with very large peni have issues too.

This is a very interesting site. I've been pleasantly surprised at how open these guys and gals are about things like foreskin restoration, gay/bi issues, etc.

The pics that they have provided have been very instrumental in showing me real life examples of the anatomy of a penis with foreskin since I've not had any real contact with one before.

And, don't worry...they don't have any size requirements for joining the site. ;)

Distalero
June 18th, 2007, 19:10
...At the moment, I am just about at "rollover" stage, and can't wait to have permanent coverage of some type. Full erect coverage is something I am sure that we would all love to have, but the fact is, not everyone has it. I would be happy to have some overhang when flaccid, but something tells me I will be lucky to have half coverage...

Just my 2 cents worth.

KOT

Alex

Well, that was sorta one thing I alluded to: really, practically speaking, there isn't such a thing as "permanent coverage" when anyone has achieved only "half coverage", unless you are using the most general of definitions. Not for a long time and lot of skin, for the first, and as for the second, only if you realize that "spontaneous roll over" is anything but.

Yes, anyone will see so-called spontaneous roll over when enough skin is grown, but it is very temporary ("spontaneous" does not mean "permanent"), and is a result of some sort of traction ie, tighter underwear, or the dartos tunic contracting because of cold temperature or heavy exercise. That roll over will stay there only as long as that traction is applied, and all other variables involved with penis length are in stasis. A change in penis length or girth will cause spontaneous "roll up" :D.

"Half coverage" will only happen under those same circumstances. That's why photos showing this condition are essentially semi staged, in the sense that the skin tube can be pulled down that far, but it won't stay there for long (sometimes just seconds, with any change in position or with any movement). I could sit down and create about a quarter inch (or more) anteater, for the last year or so, any day of the week, but it would roll back to sit in fat wrinkled lumps behind the corona soon after. As time has progressed lately, I see the tube roll back up less often, but it still does in many instances, and I still have to bias the situation with a few seconds of stretching the tube.

Again, I'm not trying to be discouraging, I'm just describing what has actually happened in my case, and in the case of other restorers I've talked with, until they grew a long enough tube so that it would hang there, unaffected by any proximal traction. If anyone's goal is errect coverage, then mazeltov (sp?), shoot for it if you have the endurance, but if, like yours truly, you are in the middle of the pack on The Great Mitosis Bell Curve (most of us are, that being the definition of the curve), then you will be ecstatic when you reach just reliable flaccid coverage. It will happen.

Distalero
June 28th, 2007, 21:21
Be it appearance, coverage, new sensation, or regaining birth right, I am not exactly sure why one should nauseate about what others would really like to achieve in this type of endeavor.

Regardless of the motive, I think what most experienced folks should focus more is how to educate others with the pros and cons of skin regeneration based on their own experience.

Could others purpose be incorrect or questionable?

My purpose may be different from others but I will never disregard the fact that some of us got hooked into this thing thru various concerns and levels of education in this matter.

*Some like ice cream because it's sweet and pleasing to the taste buds, some like it because it helps to keep them cool when the weather is too hot. Would you pun my intentions if I still like ice cream in winter?

This is not a rant. Just a few cents of my own reality check.



You got nauseated? :D

Andy13
June 29th, 2007, 07:23
Yeah, I got a little nauseated, or at least a little sinking feeling in my stomach when I thought "are my pics staged?" "am I cheating cause I take my progress pics of my chilly dick?" Then I realized that I couldn't show progress on my "warm dick" cause there is no visible progress. The progress pics are supposed to keep us motivated, and if staging them is what does it, then I say GO FOR IT. Like the song says, "Whatever gets you through the night" (or the exasperation of years of restoration).

As Dennis Miller says "That's my opinion...I could be wrong."

Distalero
June 29th, 2007, 09:55
Yeah, I got a little nauseated, or at least a little sinking feeling in my stomach when I thought "are my pics staged?" "am I cheating cause I take my progress pics of my chilly dick?" Then I realized that I couldn't show progress on my "warm dick" cause there is no visible progress. The progress pics are supposed to keep us motivated, and if staging them is what does it, then I say GO FOR IT. Like the song says, "Whatever gets you through the night" (or the exasperation of years of restoration).

As Dennis Miller says "That's my opinion...I could be wrong."



Appreciate your candor; some people gravitate towards the truth, some don't (some will never recognize it 'cause their "recognizer" uses big-block pixels), but the problem is, guys new to restoration are mislead into accepting a lot of stuff that can be discouraging, or anxiety producing, just because it's misleading.

Certainly photos, which can be (and frequently are) staged, are part of this. You have the benefit of using that knowledge for motivation but it took accepting that it's not entirely real. Some guys don't realize that yet. It happens where guys who don't know about the frustrations of the long haul, and take what they see as gospel rather than the trick that it is, put themselves in a position to be frustrated for a long time; guys here, and elsewhere post that frustration/anxiety (it was such a post that motivated me to start this thread). Don't want the angst involved in that to happen. I DO want all those circumcized guys who are thinking about beginning this process to consider not comparing their progress with some "ideal" and just hang in there, continue on, see what happens, accept that it will take time and that good stuff will happen.

You may have already realized that it was the following of the false "ideal" of infant circumcision that got most of us here to begin with.