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October 7th, 2006, 03:16
What's the difference in terms of effect and slack requirement between the tugger and the packer? Is there some in-built weight to the packer? When is tugger recommended, when packer?
For a guy like myself who started restoration as CI-3 one month ago with the tugger (and with speedy progress I think), what would be the normal/best choice of method, and is it recommended to change method at some point?
October 15th, 2006, 15:31
the difference in terms of effect and slack requirement between the tugger and the packer?
A tugger can be used by most beginners at CI-2. The Packer is a little trickier since it doesn't have a handle to help you situate it. The handle would get in the way and help the device get torqued loose. I can make a TLC Stretch Tugger with a custom short handle so it will work well as a Packer or a Tugger.
The Packer8 is only a mm longer than the Packer0. The difference there is the width. The Packer8 is good at accomodating additional CYL spacers, while those are very tricky to use with the Packer0. The advantage of the Packer0 is the way it comfortably spreads the compression smoothly over the whole glans.
Is there some in-built weight to the packer?
The Packer16 with Your-Skin Cone only weighs 1.5 ounces. I think the most metal I could ever mold within the Packer would be maybe 3 ounces.
A Packer MADE of stainless steel would be fun to try. I think it would need a loop on the pointy end so you could run a fail-safe lace and pin it to your inseam - no ker-plunks!.
When is tugger recommended, when packer?
I recommend Tugging whenever you can, and Packing for those rare parts of your routine that don't accomodate tugging.
CI-3 one month ago with the tugger . . . is it recommended to change method at some point?
You may want to use a Mini Tugger or a TLC Stretch8 (actually slimmer than the Mini) eventually when you're sure you have enough slack to comfortably roll it clear the handle for gripping. Everyone wants a tight natural-looking pucker, and nothing will do it for you better than a narrow tugger, wearing a Your-Skin Cone all non-tugging hours.
October 16th, 2006, 00:02
Thanx Ron for this useful information.
March 1st, 2008, 17:15
I would like to add about packers...what Ron said is true its trickier without the tug handle to situate but that prob is solved by running the fail-safe lace thru the packer and cone before you situate, and then use the lace to pull on the packer once you've situated the whole thing. Kinda like the tug ahoy, the lace acts as a pull-tensioner that helps lock it into place, then just clip it to your undies and you're set.
Packing is a great alternative. I would love to see a packer made of steel (like the PUD, but better). A weighted deal would be great to stretch the covering skin while closing up the tip.
March 2nd, 2008, 01:13
I would love to see a packer made of steelGo for it. The conical angle is 20 degrees. The diameter is 1 3/16" and the flat part at the pointy end is .4" across. The radius of curveature for the concave part is about .75 inches.
Any local machinist should be able to make you one on a lathe. Get a couple quotes before you commit and let us know how it turns out, please.
March 11th, 2008, 20:18
How do the pusher & packer differ? Can you use the pusher w/ the your skin cone overnite, w/o the rod & center piece of the TLC X? I don't want to try this until I get your imput, Also, can you pull excess shaft skin through the tip of the wide CONE (from TLC X) when wearing it @ nite...similar to how you would pull skin through an O ring?
I talked to my 1st 2 patients today about foreskin restoration. One took the web address & seemed very interested, the other said no thanks.
March 12th, 2008, 00:02
Can you use the pusher w/ the your skin cone overnite, w/o the rod & center piece of the TLC X?
I wouldn't expect that to work or be comfortable. The Packers have the smooth 20 degree slope interface with the retaining cone and your skin.
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