Piece of Shi... Sheet Cake, Anyone?

[Trick'rTreat]

Came across this revolting sheet cake someone used to commemorate the barbaric mutilation of a child. Looks like something Christina Aguilera would commission.

[ctlw83]

wow....can't even believe...

[ron1]

Being born Jewish, this is the main reason I can no longer be a part of my birth tribe.

As a side note, it's amazing how many Jews (particularly on the East Coast) are very liberal politically. I know lots of them. They are proponents of things like women's equlaity, gay rights, etc. For example, I recently attended a Bat Mitvah held by a lesbian rabbi.

Yet they still are tied to this barbaric custom...

Unbelievable.

[Terato]

Being born Jewish, this is the main reason I can no longer be a part of my birth tribe.

As a side note, it's amazing how many Jews (particularly on the East Coast) are very liberal politically. I know lots of them. They are proponents of things like women's equlaity, gay rights, etc. For example, I recently attended a Bat Mitvah held by a lesbian rabbi.

Yet they still are tied to this barbaric custom...

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable is right. Ron1, can you give us any insight as to why Jewish people who perhaps don't follow the rest of the Torah's laws or perhaps don't even believe in God still practice circumcision? I mean, that's not even a unique 'sign', since many/most adult men in America are circumcised...

[ron1]

In my experience, there is a strong feeling that if you do not circumcize your child, you are not Jewish.

Strange, since I have never been asked to drop my drawers and prove my membership to the group.

[saturnclue]

That's so sad.

[Terato]

In my experience, there is a strong feeling that if you do not circumcize your child, you are not Jewish.

'Nother question: does this have to be a Jewish circumcision with a full bris ceremony and with the circumcision performed by a mohel (for the child to be considered 'Jewish'), or will a secular doctor-performed hospital circ suffice? I'm kind of confused by this because it seems to me that a circ is a circ is a circ, really. Tools that were invented by Jewish doctors, such as the Mogen and the Gomco clamps, are used by secular circumcisers as well as non-secular ones.

I'm also still very puzzled as to why circumcision would be more important than even a belief in God Himself. Why practice something that was supposedly given to you as a custom by God if you don't believe in that God? Then it would only be a tradition of men, and would be no more inherently valuable or binding than any other human tradition.

[ctrclckws]

Sad that something that is supposed to be a holy covenant is presented as a joke.

Oh yeah, the joke is on us.

[ron1]

Interestingly enough, a lot of current American Jews are doing the "secular doctor-performed hospital circ." The number of parents conducting the Bris is decreasing. So apparently, they will tell their friends/family that they are doing it for health reasons.

The logic here - again - has major holes, given that the AMA and AAP have already stated that RIC is unnecessary. So educated Jews cannot argue that point effectively. Why are they afraid to state that they are doing it for religous reasons?

I have not attended the Temple in many years. However, I have not heard any Jewish friends mention a group such as "Jews Against Cicumcision." Needless to say, this group needs to push their cause more in order for that to make a wave int he community.

[peterpink]

Sad that something that is supposed to be a holy covenant is presented as a joke.

Oh yeah, the joke is on us.

A covenant should be an agreement between consenting adults and not involve the genital mutilation of an innocent and defenseless third party.Religion gives good people permission to do such bad things.

[admin]

does this have to be a Jewish circumcision with a full bris ceremony and with the circumcision performed by a mohel (for the child to be considered 'Jewish'), or will a secular doctor-performed hospital circ suffice?

Ask any rabbi. A circumcision procedure without a blessing has absolutely no value or meaning in Judaism. There are stories in the paper regularly about guys who were cut in a clinical setting undergoing a bloodletting to make their circumcision Jewish enough.

-Ron

[ctrclckws]

Ask any rabbi. A circumcision procedure without a blessing has absolutely no value or meaning in Judaism. There are stories in the paper regularly about guys who were cut in a clinical setting undergoing a bloodletting to make their circumcision Jewish enough.

-Ron

Did the bloodletting include the mohel sucking on the newly cut penis? Apparently that was a part of the ceremony for a while for the 8th day circ.

Perversions with a "holy" blessing is how I see that.

And isn't a part of kosher meat the draining of blood from the animals so that it won't be ingested?

Religion is so full of contradictions and hypocrisy.

[No-more-ste]

That is so sad. To think people believe in such things. I just hope the poor child will grow up in times where medicine will be advanced enough to reverse this terrible injustice.