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October 30th, 2010, 13:27
Some statements by circumcised men -- distilled by John Erickson from personal communications over the past several years -- motivational for tuggers

...I've wondered what it's like to have a foreskin all my life.

...Adrenalin shoots through me when I hear the word "circumcised." I freeze.

...I couldn't even make myself say "circumcised" until I was in my twenties.

...I hate that word. The sound "cir..." makes me shudder.

...When I read out loud I say the word "situation" so I don't have to say "circumstance."

...I used to think there were two kinds of boys: circumcised boys like me and real boys.

...The fact that other boys were circumcised too never made me feel any better.

...When I was a child I prayed I would get my foreskin back in heaven.

...I wanted to be a girl when I was a child because I knew that girls weren't circumcised.

...I always wondered why women seemed so much more naturally sensitive until it finally dawned on me that I was born equally sensitive, but they cut it off.

...I think of myself and other circumcised men as amputees.

...I have always felt that I was cut off of my foreskin, not vice versa.

...I think of myself as existing in two parts: my missing foreskin and the rest of me.

...I am always thinking: where is my foreskin?

...I feel like half a man.

...I feel as if part of me had been murdered.

...If the only uncircumcised guy in the locker room feels different, imagine how the only circumcised guy feels.

...I went to a nude beach in Yugoslavia and felt like a freak.

...I asked a friend if he felt "different" when he was the only uncircumcised man in the shower and he said, "Yes -- gloriously different."

...Perhaps it's better not to know that one has missed a lifetime of sexual pleasure.

...I'm Jewish and I hate being circumcised.

...I would rather have been BRANDED ON MY BUTTOCKS WITH THE STAR OF DAVID or HAD A FINGER CUT OFF than to have had my penis butchered. When I realized that Judaism cut me off from part of myself, I cut myself off from Judaism.

...I found circumcision MUCH worse than merely being gang raped as a 6 year old.

...Anti-Semitism comes easily to a circumcised gentile.

...I'd give everything I own if I could wear a T-shirt with "UNCUT" printed on it and it could be true.

...I envy my dog.

...The woman I was most in love with had a thing for uncut.

...What possible advantage could there be to removing from the penis its only movable part?

...It hurt. It bled. It left an ugly scar.

...The head of my penis is just dead.

...I now have to masturbate using a catcher's mitt and 00-grade steel wool.

...What circumcision did to my body is bad enough, but what it did to my mind is worse.

...My first sado/masochistic experience was when I was a baby, when I was circumcised. [Computer bulletin board]

...My mother told me she could hear my screams from the other end of the hall.

...My greatest fear to this day is having a knife pulled on me.

...I have nightmares about being circumcised by force.

...I was circumcised by force when I was nine and it has ruined my entire life.

...I was circumcised when I was five -- seventy years ago. I felt rage then and I still feel rage now.

...I was circumcised when I was a year old. I remember my foreskin. I want my foreskin back.

...I never got used to being circumcised. I just learned to endure it.

...I think I could have accepted a deformity that was an accident of nature, but I can't accept that someone did that to me.

...I have never been able to accept the fact that someone cut part of my penis off when I was a baby. The sheer monstrousness of it haunts every waking moment of my life. Sometimes I think I'm beginning to make some sort of adjustment to it, but then I see an unmutilated man in a magazine or shower and I become overwhelmed by uncontrollable feelings of outrage and disbelief that I was made the victim for life of something so sick. Sometimes I feel I'm at the edge of madness and just can't handle it.

...The title of a story by Harlan Ellison conveys my feelings exactly about having been circumcised when I was born: "I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREAM."

...It cast a pall over my entire life.

...It's a life sentence at birth.

...Hardest to take was my wife leaving me for a man who was intact.

...I don't have sex with anyone because I wouldn't want to have sex with anyone who would have sex with someone who was circumcised.

...I never let women see my penis because I think it's ugly.

...I have a good sexual relationship with my wife but I'm also turned on by foreskins and have had several uncircumcised lovers. Would I still have been gay if I hadn't been circumcised? I'll never know.

...The only reason I'm gay is that I was circumcised when I was a baby. I feel deprived. It's only with an uncircumcised man that I can have a foreskin. [This man later died of AIDS.]

...My parents could accept that my uncircumcised younger brother and I were both gay, but they couldn't accept that we were lovers.

...How can I contact Foreskin Sharers of America? To find a man whose foreskin I could play with as freely as I would my own if I had one, is my endless quest.

...I masturbate two or three times a day, always to the same fantasy: the image of my foreskin as it would look and feel now, had it not been cut off when I was born.

...I feel that my father betrayed me by letting my mother have me circumcised against his wishes, and I've always sensed that deep down he rejected me because he saw me as damaged.

...I tried several times to ask my mother about what had been done to me; but when I opened my mouth to speak, the words stuck in my throat and no sound came out.

...I think about my mother with her ears docked, like a Doberman's, face down in her coffin, facing hell.

...When I think about what my parents let happen to me, I want to take a razor and slit their throats.

...Damn my parents and their superstitious religious rituals!

...I've never told my parents how I feel.

...I have revenge fantasies about circumcision.

...If I knew who cut my foreskin off, I'd cut off his entire dick.

...I want to kill the doctor who circumcised me.

...My feelings about the doctor who circumcised me are too violent to describe.

...I was just a baby -- I couldn't stop them.

...Butchers!

..."Butchered at Birth" [Printed on T-shirt on teenage boy on MTV, early March 1993]

...Circumcision is life long torture.

...Saying "uncircumcised" is like saying "unamputated" or "unmutilated" or maybe "unstabbed-through-the-heart-and-gored-to-death."

...There's something very, very wrong and very frightening about a society that systematically tortures and mutilates babies.

...Circumcision should be mandatory.

...Why would anyone cut off part of a baby's penis? Why would anyone let himself or anyone else do it?

...I wish I could circumcise every uncircumcised man in the world, so they'd all be like me. I don't have a foreskin and no one else should have one either.

...The worst thing about circumcision is that it produces circumcisers.

...Fear, pain, crippling, disfigurement, and humiliation are the classic ways to break the human spirit. Circumcision includes them all.

...i spent the last 3 weeks chatting up a girl, finally get her naked and she says she doesnt wanna have sex with me because i dont have a foreskin and she thinks a circumcised penis looks weird and wont touch it because she thinks its broken.

"I was circumcised at Brook General Hospital, Ft.Sam Houston, Texas, 5 days after my birth 15 March, 1945 and meatotomized at 7 years due to iatrogenic complication. The double whammy resulting from the foregoing turned me into an INSATIABLE homosexual; I have had carnal contact with 6 females and over 8,000 males spanning almost 50 years of sexual activity. The desensitization from the above mentioned procedures and the psychological trauma resultant therefrom impelled me to find sexual release involving second and tertiary erotic areas of my body e.g. the anus inter alia to provide the stimulus compensation for the loss of the primary sensation ablated in the aforementioned infant circumcision. This has also created the need for extreme forms of sexual release such as orgies and sex in risky environments in which danger is an enhancement providing the extra boost needed to achieve ejaculation; none of the foregoing activities would have been necessary had I been allowed to keep the neural triggers in the foreskin and frenulum. My frenulum appears to have been scraped or excised of about two thirds or three quarters of its original size. Due to my enormous experience with male sexuality both intact and altered, I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NATURAL MEMBER AND THE SAVAGED MEMBER. The resulting knowledge has also contributed to my general despondance and concomitant sexual hyperactivity. My mother was not informed of any negative sequelae caused by infant penile foreskin amputation, nor was my father consulted."

"On September 23rd, 1974, less than 36hrs after my birth, I became the victim of Genital Mutilation. In violation of his Hippocratic Oath, Calvin C. Clark, MD cut off a healthy, functional part of my most sensitive tissue without my consent, at Vancouver Memorial Hospital. The screams haunt me every day and night. The scar reaches up into my throat and has actually deformed my lumbosacral spine. I suffered from urinary incontinence, soiling my bed nightly throughout my childhood. The emotions of Fear and Lust are so interwoven together in me that I have difficulty maintaining healthy relationships with women. I suffer from bouts of deep, even suicidal depression. My internal monologue is filled with themes of deserving punishment. At my most perfect and vulnerable, I was violated and permanently harmed by those I most trusted, ostensibly so that I would not feel different when I saw the mutilated penises of other boys. THIS MUST STOP!"

"I am gay and every time I see an uncircumcised penis or a depiction of one I feel knots in my stomach and I want to die, because it reminds me of what was done to me. I see the moist, sensitive glands that I cannot have, the enjoyment I cannot have, the feeling of the foreskin rolling over the glands. I take showers with the lights off so that I do not have to look at my own penis. Having a relationship with another person is very important to me, but I feel no motivation to have one because I cannot enjoy it in the beautiful way i should be able to. I feel depressed about this every day. I sometimes feel like they are still cutting it off of me, even though I have no memory of it. I feel as though I have been raped, and have felt suicidal (to the extent of planing out a suicide note, with my circumcision as the first reason listed). My anger and depression are out of control, causing me to break things in the house. My only hope was presented when I learned of the Foregen project. Yet I am still depressed and anguished, since it will be years before the procedure becomes available."

"I feel furious at the so-called 'doctors' and my parents for cutting off part of my penis 3 days after I was born in a procedure euphemistically called circumcision. I want financial reparations to be directed to fund Foregen's work so I can get my foreskin back."

"I'm a victim of genital mutilation. It made permanent changes to my body, sexuality and mind. I was thrust into sexual perversion as I sought out retribution against women and sought out in vain the real feeling of sexual contact. Due to the mutilation occurring on private parts, the whole issue was hidden for two decades. After finally realizing it, I had to undertake the daunting task of emotional healing. It took another ten years before I could unravel the psychological mess that was created by this sadistic, evil act on my infant body. I am now restoring what little can be restored, a process which usually fails and can take up to ten years of constant care and work. If successful, I can only regain a small portion of what was lost."

"I was circumcised as an infant and my mother was not informed of the great injustice being performed on her only son. Not only has it caused great physical trauma but psychological and emotional as well. Damages are immeasurable. I want justice for what was don't to me, and I never want another child to be sexually assaulted and butchered in their first moments of life. It has long lasting horrid affects. How can you ever trust when the first thing you know is pain and the most pleasurable part of your body is taken away?"

"Sexually assaulted by medical practicioner at 2 days after birth. The pretext for the sexual assault was fraudulent, and physiologicallly impossible. I am a medical doctor with a degree from an Eastern European nation. The sexual assault was perpetrated in the state of South Carolina. I hold not only the rapist responsible, but also the AMA."

"Damages include an assortment of disfigurements in addition to the amputation of nearly all my erogenous tissue. Full frenectomy and and the mistaken amputation of all the shaft skin on the ventral side. General pitting and gland disfigurements due to forced separation. Not a single square centimeter of tissue on my penis is with out major trauma. The psychological damages go with out saying. Ten years of remaining silent stuck in a severe continuous state of anxiety every day. I never dated and avoided all forms of human intimacy."

"In 1990 at a hospital in Crawfordsville, Indiana some stupid doctor took away at least half of the nerves responsible for my sexual satisfaction. I don't know if my mom consented or not but who cares the doctor I'm sure failed to mention that he was butchering me for life all for a couple extra bucks and maybe a claim of 'cleanliness'. BS! Intact men have no problem cleaning, but I have have an incomplete penis. Girls aren't allowed to have their genitals cut yet I was. At birth I had less Human Rights than girls. After finding out about this recently, I have never felt more depressed in my life."

"On 22 October, 1962, I was born and then 'circumcised' involuntarily. Under the 'Reason to Operate', listed on the consent form, were the words 'Live Birth'. This is not a medical condition warranting 'circumcision'. In fact, there were none then, now, nor will there ever be a reason to 'circumcise' anyone. Nothing about my natural penis was deformed, damaged, or diseased, and these are the criteria for a legitimate 'Reason to Operate'. It is illegal to perform an operation without consent from the patient (not the parent), or without the medical conditions of the aforementioned. I could go on about what it did to my body, but either way that's irrelevant."

"Irreversible physical damage to my penis. Emotional suffering related to the trauma of circumcision and the resultant loss of sexual feeling."

"I was born in Canada on 1979 with a perfect penis and it was mutilated right after I was born."

"i was assaulted and humiliated and maimed twice,once after birth and then later age 2 and a few months. i remeber the second one real well and get veryvery angry at both instances. psychological betrayal like no other, fear of being mutilated and turned into a girl. severe pain for two weeks or so. feeling weird emasculated and crushed punished and killed in the soul. no exaggeration. shy teenager afraid of male shy with females painful masturbation due to amount of useless friction needed to create orgasm and occassional bleeding due to harsh stimulation to reach orgasm. very little sensitive tissue left. psychologically feel raped and humiliated, damaged inferior and worthless as a man. only a few years of normal sexual encounters because the girlfriend was very respectful beautiful sexy and empowering. loved me as is and empathized with my trauma that never left me."

"Those fucking sons of bitches managed to rob me of my free will and free choice in violating my mind and my body and my soul."

"I was circumcised shortly birth, obviously without my consent. In fact, I protested the only way an infant knows how, by screaming and crying. As a result I have suffered a life of decreased sexual pleasure, and possibly leading to sexual maladjustment, depression, and emotional suffering."

"I suppose I wasn't supposed to give a damn I'd been ritually disfigured."

"I was circumcised when i was 4. i was non-consenting and still am, i feel like i was violated. i have had vivid nightmares about the circumcision. i was awake for at least part of it. i know i was restrained and strapped to a table. i can still remember most, maybe all the pain. when ever i have the nightmares i am not able to fully function in my life, my job and, my family ties become strained. after the nightmares i feel like killing myself."

"If I have a sick mind it's the result of psychological damage that came with the genital mutilation."

"I was wrongfully tortured as a child by my parents and doctors. Part of me was taken from me without my consent. Every time I take a piss I'm reminded of this and it's driving me insane. The people who are responsible for this should pay. I don't care if it's a class action lawsuit or not, I simply want justice."

"I just wish I had been given the choice of which body parts I got to keep and which were thrown in the dumpster."

"My circumcision has left me with 3 large scars on my penis. I have the 'halo', the scar beneath the tip and a large humiliating scar on the bottom on my penis. This scars are humiliating. I've been humiliated by women who laugh at how ugly my penis is. I an now alone and withdrawn from society."

"I feel that what my parents did to my person in having me circumcised as a newborn infant was every bit as terrible and scarring an experience if not worse than what I experienced at the age of 5 when I was sexually molested and raped by a teen-aged pedophile step brother."

"I was brutally tortured as I was circumcised without anesthetic as an Infant. I have never experienced an orgasm via vaginal intercourse as a result of Rose De Lima Hospital brutally circumcising me as an Infant. I am in a constant state of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I experience nightmares weekly in which I and or Baby Boys are circumcised. The United States has allowed/promoted the circumcision of Baby Boys and Minors, honoring all others except the Rights of the Child and his Autonomy, His right to genital integrity. I am on a mission to expose all circumcisers and their agendas. Some years ago, death by hanging was instituted. I sincerely wish to see all circumcisers of all backgrounds hung until death. I write with complete sanity of mind."

"I am angry like I have never felt before about anything in my entire life that this was done to me. I feel personally violated and sometimes the depression this has caused me is overwhelming to the point where I can't sleep or concentrate on my work. No longer can I look at or feel anything in my own penis without thinking of it as mutilated, unnatural, disfigured, incomplete etc. I did not consent to having my prepuce (foreskin) unnecessary removed and I would not have consented had it been my choice. This is going to affect me for the rest of my life and I want compensation for the damage that has been done to me (both physical and emotional)."

"We're upset that a doctor didn't disclose the truth to our parents, caused us extreme pain days after we were born, took 50% of our normal penile covering away, the most sensitive part of the penis, left us with uncomfortable erections, reduced the size of our penises, prevented the penis from functioning normally, and probably took 70% of pleasure away (and changing it) - in short, messed up our sex lives and that of our spouses."

"I always had the envy and the utmost respect for any man who is able to live their life in good health as an uncut noncircumcised man as they happen to be the lucky ones I figure."

"I grew up feeling deformed and afraid of girls, simply because I had a rather large skin bridge due to a botched circumcision. Constantly afraid to get intimate with women because they would see my deformity and laugh at me. I finally had the guts at 21 to show my father , of which freaked out and my parents immediately took me to the Dr to have it fixed. I had a recircumcision which now leaves me with a flap of skin on my penis. Dr called it a 'natural french tickler and the women will love it' I did not agree."

"Lifelong sexual dysfunction, difficulty reaching orgasm, anxiety - due to feelings of being trapped and then traumatized have developed into social phobia and depression."

"Lifelong sexual disfunction, difficulty reaching orgasm, unnaturally scarred, nerve and tissue damage, normal & beneficial body part removed without consent. Harry Medovy of Winnipeg did this to me in 1954. I hold him, the hospital he worked for and the Canadian government responsible for not protecting my human right to my whole body, and my whole natural genitals."

"Circ effed up my romantic life completely. I have never had a healthy, intimate relationship in my life. I have had plenty of dysfunctional ones. Countless. I should tour the country as the poster boy for how messed up circ is. Me and my scarred up, mutilated, dried, cracked up broomstick dick touring the country. Put me behind a cage at carnivals and county fairs. Put me on tv. I swear if the public were privy to how totalled my crusty dick and I really are, MGM would become illegal almost immediately.
If the circumcisers intent was to turn me into a dysfunctional and beaten-down monster man who runs through life causing nothing but carnage, heartbreak, and despair in both himself and in the soul of every woman he has ever dated...they have succeeded.
My cock doesn't shoot semen. It cries tears."

"I am circumcised, and wife and girlfriends all said the same thing: that during intercourse with me, they got dry and sore. They were all like, could you please hurry up? I'm getting sore. And I always thought I wasn't getting everything out of it that I should have."

"It is a horrible feeling to know that your body has been permanently scarred for as long as you can remember, and that it will never fully recover, no matter what you do. I can think of nothing that better matches the description 'cruel and unusual' than strapping a baby boy to a table and forcibly removing part of his penis and then never even telling him a word about it, leaving him to piece together the truth about what happened to him many years later."

"I have reached a point in my life where I think about the unnecessary destruction of my foreskin. I hate humanity for what they have done to me. Others have decided to have me sexually desensitized my entire life for illogical and unjustifiable reasons. My being was shattered when others decided to slice away all of the fine touch receptors that resided in my now dead foreskin. Others decided to destroy my frenulum, ridged band and a huge amount of inner and outer skins. Others decided to destroy the most important part of me. Others decided to injure me in ways unrepairable. Now I live with a brain set up to receive signals from a foreskin that will never send them as it has been atomized. My mutilation has taught me to hate, it has taught me to fear and distrust. It has taught me to disconnect and isolate. In the past I blamed many things on my rage and sorrow. I see clearly now the major root of my misanthropy."

"The emotional trauma that I have experienced due to this barbaric act of sexual abuse has affected me my whole life and will continue to affect me for the rest of my life. It goes against my personal beliefs and is a grossly unnatural act of violence."

"Female genital cutting on minors is illegal in the USA, but male genital cutting on minors is perfectly legal. Why aren't all infants afforded the same protection under the law against unnecessary forced genital cutting?"

"Dr. Robert Landgraff circumcised me for no reason in Niles, Michigan in 1962. I was healthy and normal and he amputated a valuable body part. Sex feels dull as a result. I hold culpable Dr. Landgraf and any doctor who was in a position to formulate a sane policy statement that should have discouraged warrantless surgery on unconsenting minors, and also the insurance company who paid for a destructive amputation."

"A couple of months ago I learned of a situation where a young gal was going out with two guys. One of them was handsome, charming, and a student at an Ivy League college. The other was average looks, not much personality, and working a blue collar job. The college kid was circumcised and the other kid wasn't. Guess which boy she chose? She chose the uncircumcised kid, because she said she was able to have much better sex with him."

"I wish every day that I wasn't circumcised. I would give up everything I have to have a whole and complete body."

"I was circumcised at around 10 years old. Following up to the final surgery, the pediatrician forced my foreskin back on two occasions, which caused painful adhesions both times. [...] I have been too embarrassed to take legal action."

"I was a beautiful baby boy and my own mother couldn't accept all of me. Minutes after birth I had to be butchered."

"Upon being born in 1985, I was subjected to routine penile reduction surgery preformed by the pediatrician Terence Neff, M.D. of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho without valid 'informed consent' or 'medical necessity'. Should I also mention that I suffer from a hirsute 'shaft' (esp. when my member is erect), wound unevenness, and penoscrotal 'webbing'--which itself requires urological surgery to correct--etc.? For it is true: I do."

"I feel betrayed and angered by what has been done to me. Worst of all, when I try to confront my parents about it, they act as though they are offended by me speaking up for myself."

"I had my penis mutilated in this very same manner and my whole life I have been plagued with sexual problems stemming from this most heinous form of ABUSE. No, I don’t “remember” the vile act but I am well aware of it’s life long scarring of my entire sexual history and the mental and emotional anguish that has ruined me as a person. I don’t give a rats ass about YOUR personal beliefs but my personal belief is that any one who does this to helpless babies no matter the reason deserve nothing less than death. I speak as a VICTIM, I was wronged in the most humiliating fashion imaginable. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR WHAT WAS DONE TO THIS BABY OR MYSELF!!! If you are considering this for your children then do all involved a favor and kill your self now and save the child from suffering my fate."

"It freaks me the FUCK out --to the deepest core of my soul-- that the most exquisitely elegant, sensitive, functional parts of my PENIS (!!!) were --for NO GOOD REASON-- violently, savagely ripped and sliced off me, thereby crippling and impairing my sexual function for LIFE."

"Like so many other mutilated men who have expressed their anger over their mutilation, I too was having fantasies about killing the doctor who mutilated me."

"I find it inexcusable that I cannot successfully sue the hospital or doctor that circumcised me against my will. All info I find says they have to botch the surgery for you to win your case. In my opinion, that is like saying you can only convict a rapist if you get pregnant."

"To be honest I feel the doctor committed act of rape against my person in the worst way imaginable, a form of psychological rape that went entirely beyond the physical act."

"Having been the subject of the dubious distinction of being fully aware of the contrast between cut/uncut, the dire operation having taken place a couple of years ago, I can only say I much preferred my uncut status. The sensitivity was/is light-years in difference. I'd never subject any son of mine to unnecessary mutilation."

Still to this day the establishment continues to lie, that parents may be induced to hand over their baby sons to be sexually mutilated on medical premises.

"I have a tremendous amount of regret and even more anger from being deceived." (A mother.)

When will it end? When will the United States of America move beyond this obscene blemish in its short history? How many more must be violated? How many more relationships handicapped by the male's heavy psychological burden and by his sensual-sexual inadequacy?

"The standard American circumcision destroys as much as possible without rendering its victim so sexually dysfunctional that he cannot even masturbate. Instead of making masturbation very difficult or impossible, the standard American circumcision leaves just enough foreskin so that masturbation is possible, but there is still so much foreskin missing that sexual pleasure is greatly reduced and sexual intercourse with women is a lousy experience. Thus, the American empire has evolved an optimal strategy for its program of sexual mutilation because the primary purpose of America’s sexual-mutilation program is to attack the family."

In memory of all the beautiful children throughout history who have died at the hands of sexual mutilators; and in memory of those who almost died, those who wanted to die, and those who wished they had died; and in memory of those who never knew that a sexual mutilator killed a beautiful, wondrous, irreplaceable part of them.

Mikey, I never forgot you.

Z-Ron
November 12th, 2010, 21:12
It is really sad to see how deeply some men are affected by this fucked up thing we call circumcision...

Unregistered
October 9th, 2011, 20:34
This list should be e-mailed to every circumcision chamber in the country.

As well as these female quotes:

"While I can see (and see all around me) that some women are willing to put up with being married to circumcised men, I cannot fathom why, except that they are ignorant of what they are missing. From a woman's perspective, circumcised sex really is not good at all. It's awful. It's irritating. Compared to what sex is meant to be, it is so far unrelated I don't see why it is even called sex. Putting up with that for years and years, even with lubricant, is not, in my humble opinion, a sane decision."

"I simply cannot imagine making love for years and years with a circumcised man. This may seem shallow, and you are right to question this and to find fault with it, and with me. But I still cannot bring myself to imagine it. As the woman who posted mentions, intercourse with a circumcised man is truly painful. It is not spiritually or emotionally satisfying. It hurts."

"I realize that women do, routinely, marry and stay married to circumcised men, and that they find happiness in their marriages and in the kindness of their husbands. But I still cannot imagine consciously making such a huge sacrifice. I do not know how they do it. Is this shallow? I am not sure. Certainly if sex is important to keeping the marriage bond strong, then it is not shallow. Sex cannot make a marriage stronger if it is continually putting one of the partners through pain and distress."

"Having sex with a circumcised man is uncomfortable for a woman, and this discomfort (often pain) quickly trains her to avoid sex. She make excuses, like 'I have a headache,' 'I'm too stressed-out about housework,' or more honestly 'I have a bladder infection/cystitis,' or 'I feel chafed,' or 'I feel bruised from last time.'"

"I have been penetrated a few times by people who are not whole and each time I feel the uncomfortable feeling of too much friction, it does not happen with a man that has an intact penis, as a result I will not let anyone who is circumcised screw me."

"For too long I have blamed myself for our sexual problems when circumcision was the culprit."

"The first time I had sex with an intact man, I thought it was fate or chemistry or something crazy that made sex so good. It was simply a completely different experience. I had orgasms during sex for the first time. We had sex 20 times in a day once...but we didn't have much else in common. It took me a few years to figure out that what I fell for wasn't the man, it was his foreskin! I became an intactivist when I realized that the reason I didn't usually have orgasms during intercourse wasn't ME or my relationships, it was a vital and missing body part."

"Nothing sexy or healthy about a butchered penis....."

"Circumcision is a violation of a persons body and basic rights. Besides, intact feels so much better!"

"If you just see an uncircumcised penis in action, you understand why the foreskin is so necessary! It is smooth and glides over the penis and makes it so much more pleasurable for the man and woman."

"The only time I ever used any kind of lubricant was with a circumcised man."

"Circumcised intercourse feels like a friction burn. With the natural penis, the extra skin makes it go smoother...my vagina doesn't get sore."

"I don't know what to do with a circumcised penis. Nothing moves. It's weird. It seems like cut men like a lot of friction rather than smooth pressure. It's abrasive. I never saw a cut penis until I went to Grad school in the US and I'll be quite happy if I never see another. Really twisted behavior to do that to another person."

"I don't enjoy it. It's harsh and unforgiving. I feel very sorry for American women."

"During intercourse, I would become dry and raw and the soreness would last for several days afterward. It would take my husband up to a half an hour of constant thrusting for him to reach climax no matter how close he felt to achieving it. Due to the pumping action, so much air would be pushed in that I would feel discomfort in my abdomen. Usually I would have to sit or stand up several times in order to push it out. Sometimes when he climaxed it would burn like salt in a wound, so we usually used condoms, which he hated."

"For our entire marriage, our sex life could only be measured in months, and that was too much for me. I did not like to see him naked or even have him cuddle up to me at night. I did not want to see or feel his penis. I associated it with pain and discomfort, so it was an ugly thing."

"Through the years I have always had questions that I kept secret. Was my husband not really 'Mr. Right'? Was I a lesbian and just did not know it? Was I just not meant to enjoy sex? What was my problem? Everyone else had enough moisture and enjoyed sex, so why not me? Finally, I found out the function of the foreskin and a great big 'ah-ha' went off in my head. I was not the problem, but rather, the circumcision."

"I had one circumcised lover who was setting a Guinness record - and after 30 minutes I would start to feel as if he were sandpapering me down there."

"I watched a video where this guy had a contraption that he wears all day long to slowly stretch the skin he has left so it feels like foreskin. I thought it was really sad that he has to do that. It shows how severely violated these men feel that they go through all that."

"All my circumcised men seemed too anxious to reach their own orgasms and too caught up in getting their own pleasure. And they often left me unsatisfied, leaving me irritable, aggravated, and frustrated as hell."

"Circumcised men are more rough and they tend to ‘pound away’ at me. With them, I seldom achieved orgasm."

"I swear this is why American men seem to have a need for rougher sex - numb dicks."

"As far as the cervical cancer connection. BS. Or every woman in Europe would have way higher rates of it - that's not true. I say don't believe the hype, I mean how else could they justify having mutilated millions of penises for no reason - guys might be pissed."

"For years, I have wondered if there was something wrong with me. It wasn't until I was pregnant with my first son and started researching circumcision that I realized it wasn't me, it was my circumcised partners. When I first read about the gliding mechanism and how sex was meant to be between two intact partners, I cried. I love my husband dearly, but I don't like having sex with him. It is rarely pleasurable, usually uncomfortable, sometimes just neutral. It's rarely slow, gentle, usually too fast, too hard."

"Wanna know why circumcised men need to thrust and thrust to feel enough sensation for orgasm? Look to circumcision."

"Wondering if the numb dick feels it needs the extra tightness of the butthole."

"I have had no relations with circumcised men since I met my current uncircumcised lover, but the difference between circumcised sex and uncircumcised sex is very obvious to me."

"If my only choices were to have sex with a circ'd guy or never have sex again-I'll never have sex again. Circ'd men are freakin lousey in bed."

"Yeah, I'm sorry, but I have had more than enough broomstick sex."

"Trust me, girls today want a natural guy."

"uncircumcised penii are fabulous. i dont think i could ever completely enjoy intercourse with a cut man now that my last two boyfriends have been uncircumcised (and the best sex of my life.) if i were to ever give birth to male children i also wouldnt have them circumcised either."

"Oooh I want one. Where do you find them??? BEST SEX I EVER HAD!!!! Oooh now I'm mad most guys are circumcised here. I wanna cry."

"Yum yum. Once you've had sex with an intact man, you never go back!"

"My husband is beautifully intact. The only man I have ever slept with that is actually. All my previous sex partners were cut, and I DO remember very clearly the roughness and post sex burning around my vagina and urethra."

"Personally, I believe foreskin is the best sex toy money can't buy. :)"

"I hate circumcised guys. Their dick is dry, calloused, feels like sand, and is boring as fuck. They're not fun at all. Sure they may work to get the job done, but that's it."

"I would rather masturbate than screw a cut man. Cicumcision is the worst thing to happen to sex."

"My new boy is the first man I have ever been with who has been intact. WHOO WHAT A DIFFERENCE! I don't ever want to go back to circumsized again."

"It's the slippy feeling. Circumsized are taut but the loose turtleneck bunches and slips in all the right places."

"agreed 100%!!!!!! the slippy feeling!!!"

"I look back very fondly on the two 'intact' penises I had. And I can't exactly put my finger on why it felt so good...but it sure did."

"I loves the uncircumsized penis! Last two boyfriends had one... Will never go back!"

"my boyfriend is from india and not circumcised. he is always clean and, at the risk of being graphic, i can say, having only been with circumcised men in the past, i would NEVER go back. it's not just better for HIM to have that skin to protect the glans, it is MUCH better for me!!"

"It's SO much better yes!! Oh gawd. BJs and HJs are MUCH easier to give, for one... and two, it slides so nicely and rubs so very...very....very well."

"Having been with both intact and circumcised men, it's no contest. Intact, definitely."

"I have the cutest, sweetest, nicest circumcised man and I just said the cruelest thing to him and I know the reason why I said it is because sex with him is painful and so the pain that I feel from the sex comes out later in words. It is so depressing to contemplate the broader implications of circumcision and how it has impacted my life and interfered with my desire to have natural sex with a man. I know why we must say that it is 'only a piece of skin' because to admit otherwise would be too damn depressing."

"Circ'd men give horrible satistfaction XD"

"Intact men are waaaay better in bed than cut men. Like Ewwww said, sleeping with a cut man is like doing a dildo. It's horrible."

"I would never ruin my childs sex life my getting them circ'd."

"Cut is just so ugly! And bad in bed!"

"Sex + No Foreskin = TERRIBLE time :'("

"Sex + Foreskin = EUPHORIA =D"

"I'll never go back to a circumsized man. My hub is INTACT and he's the only guy to ever get me off, so i married him of course."

"I don't know what this poor man's obsession is with getting rid of foreskins worldwide but he has a long arduous task ahead! Americans (especially in the backwards midwest) are the only people foolish enough to still circumcise babies. Worldwide for millions of years men have survived and thrived with foreskins. This guy makes foreskins sound like a little ticking time bomb in your trousers. Puhleeze!
- An California Blonde - who has discovered uncircumcised men (after wasting 26 years on circ'ed men) and will never go back!"

"I hate cut guys. Uncut is like 100 times better."

"I have never had an orgasm having sex with a circumcised man. With an intact man? All. The. Time. The sensation of the foreskin gliding back and forth inside of you is absolutely delicious. Also, in my experience intact men have more control and seem to last longer. I also think that oral sex with an intact partner is way more fun ;-)"

"I've had sex with cut and uncut men, it's so much better with intact men! The foreskin keeps us from getting dried out. Circumcised men seem to pound on us over and over trying to reach orgasm. Uncut men glide in me and I don't get sore like I do with you circumcised guys."

"the other wonderful thing i have noticed about intact men is that they make very good friends to women. i personally won't sleep with a man who is circumcised because the difference in pleasure is night and day for me - and once sex is out of the equation, they are out the door."

"the cut member hurts; the natural member feels very, very pleasant, sensuous - much different. and i did my fair share of comparative research in my youth. i wondered why european men were so much better... now i understand - they don't routinely circumcise in europe. nature made foreskin so that procreation would be an activity that mammals would love to indulge in... nature also made sex a bonding experience so there would be loving parents to care for children."

"I find circumcised penises to be gross and scarred up and they hurt me."

"There is a huge difference in sex with uncut [natural] and cut [circumcised] men, and most women who’ve had both, prefer uncut. I’ll never have another cut partner. My body can’t handle the rough painful sex they need in order to finally squeeze out a cum, because most of the feeling has been cut away, and they’ve been left dried out and insensitive."

"During one particular argument (it was long after my bedtime and I’m sure they thought I was asleep), my mother shouted, “I wish I’d never married you. I should have married John. I’d be happy now, instead of being miserable with you.” My father growled back, “Oh, sure…John this…John that…. You wouldn’t have been happy with him.” To which my mother yelled back, “Yeah, well at least when I had sex with him, it didn’t feel like he was shoving a broomstick in and out of me, like it does with you.”"

"During my circumcised intercourses, I felt violated or used—like I was just a piece of meat—even with my husband."

"At 28 years of age (2 years ago) I had sex with the first uncircumcised man I had ever seen. I would prefer to never have sex with another circumcised man as long as I live. The difference in sensation is so different, I cannot even begin to describe it."

"With my current natural partner, I feel warm, tender, soft, and beautiful. But during circumcised intercourse, I would often get aggravated emotionally. I have cried after many of my circumcised sexual experiences—feeling so empty and not knowing why. I have never cried or felt this way with a natural partner."

"I dearly love my circumcised husband, but do not find sex very enjoyable. I feel terrible even writing this, and I would never want him to know that. It's just that I do not find the pounding to be pleasurable, but more of a discomfort feeling. We also use lots of lube. I am always waiting for it to end, although we have sex any time he wants, as I want him to be happy. The only time it is a better feeling is if I have just orgasmed, which is always clitoral via stimulation, never from intercourse."

"Call me superficial, call me whatever. I stand with around 85% of the world's women. We like things as nature intended. Any other way is and always will be...WAY second best."

"The generally accepted statistic is that fewer than 25% of women can reach orgasm with vaginal intercourse (without manual stimulation of the clitoris). I wonder how that number would change if all men were intact?"

"I will never go back to cut.. I just dont like it as much now that i've had my fun."

"funny you say this, I actually have a friend who is extremely bitter over being circ. when he was a baby...his brother wasn't, and he can't get over the unfairness of it."

"A good friend of mine has spoken to me at length about how he feels his circumcision (done in infancy) has practically ruined his sex life, and how only the tiny piece of frenulum remaining feels good to him."

"I sure as HELL would not have want my labia cut off!"

"I shared a hospital room with a mother whose son was born within hours of my daughter. My roommate and I marveled at the identical personality traits exhibited by our newborn babies. Both were perfectly calm, never cried and gazed unwaveringly at out faces when we held them. … Delight in our new-found joys of motherhood was shattered the following morning. My roommate’s baby had changed. He refused to nurse; he cried; he wouldn’t be held. “He doesn’t want me,” my roommate pitifully told the nurse. “It’s just the circumcision,” the nurse told her comfortingly."

"I became obsessed with the idea that my boyfriend should be circumcised. We were very happy together, and much in common, and best of all we were very compatible in bed. But I refused to get married until he was circumcised—and he gave in. That little operation completely destroyed our life together. Before he had fabulous staying power, but after the operation he would have an orgasm in five minutes and leave me high and dry. To make things worse, sex became very painful to me. Twice I had to see a doctor due to minor infections from the chafing. Our beautiful sexual togetherness became a nightmare of staying creams, lubricants and frustrations. He says he will never forgive me, and we no longer speak to each other…but I cannot forget what a stupid mistake I made which altered the life of a lovely person."

"As I nursed and cared for my son, I could not believe that on his 8th day of life this horrific thing would happen. I cried on the way to the hospital. I begged my husband to leave him be. My perfect son. Now strapped to a table and separated. So confused. Never again."

"I had to assist with a circumcision in nursing school. I have never seen anything so barbaric ever! I threw up afterwards."

"I had one intact lover and I can tell you that it was mind-blowingly different from being with a cut man. I thought I would pass out from the pleasure. Now I know that it wasn't so much that particular guy that was so fantastic - it was the intact penis."

"Every woman I know has problems with sex of some sort with their mutilated partners."

"i’m a girl and i hate circumcised penises, why would you want to do that? it’s not cleaner or healthier, it looks wrong and its also less sensitive. A good thing? I think not! I love my boyfriends un-cut one! Much nicer."

"I always thought circumcision was good because it makes the penis look nicer and keeps it cleaner. I cannot believe the propaganda I believed!"

"Every woman I know who has actually come in contact with a natural penis and had the pleasure of natural sex knows the truth. Circumcision steals sooooooooo much. I know because I dated an intact man for three years."

"I feel such a complete loss, for my husband who has never known complete sexual fulfillment, and for myself. We will never know sexual intercourse as it truly is meant to be. My genitalia seem so different from my husband's, yet with a foreskin, we would share a lot more similarities, and I know I would feel closer to my husband."

"As a female, it has been difficult to express the level of sadness I feel when I see a cut penis."

"I am SO glad my husband is intact! I can't imagine intercourse with a circumcised man."

"I am SO SO SO glad we didn't have boys b/c i know we would have circumcised b/c i had not educated myself about this topic until recently."

"My (circumcised) husband had no more right than I to make the decision; since he doesn't have a foreskin, he _does not_ have the equipment. He has only his cultural conditioning and his prejudices."

"Its ["power fucking"] usually because the man is circumcised, They have lost 20,000 fine touch nerves from circumcision, and thats the reason for the fastness of it. I have had sex with both Intact (uncircumcised) and circumcised men. Happens way more often with circumcised men, It has never once happened with a Intact male. Once having sex with a Intact male i will never again have sex with a circumcised man."

"Every single one of my girlfriends who have been with both intact and circumcised men left their sons intact. I've only been with intact men and have no complaints."

"I've only REALLY learned about circumcision within the last year and now every time I see my husband's cut penis I have feelings of grief and sadness. I think about what I'M missing and what he's missing (and doesn't care that he's missing). I think about what happened to him when he was so tiny. I feel like I'm being used rather than being connected with. And I don't see that these feelings will change in the foreseeable future. How can I live the rest of the my life this way?"

"My husband is circumcised and it definitely affects our sex life. I can't orgasm without a vibrator on my clit. For a long time I thought there was something wrong with me. Turns out, he's the one missing an essential part of his genitals."

"What I wouldn't give for an intact partner now!"

"If I knew then what I know now, I would have left my son intact so he and his future sex partner can enjoy the same experiences I have gratefully experienced."

"I just don't get it - how can American women actually find circumcised penises more attractive? They look so sad and damaged... and crusty, like they fell off an Egyptian pharaoh."

"Of the few friends that I know that have been blessed to experience both intact and cut first hand, we all agree.....the anatomically correct penis is a much better ride. I don't want to go into details *as I will start blushing* but at one point in my life I lived with two men....one was cut and one was intact. I have had the opportunity to compare the two side by side at the same time. If American woman only knew....."

"The shape and technique of a mutilated penis is very different to that of a natural penis. It sucks moisture out of the vagina and he needs to pull in and out far more vigorously than a normal functioning penis. When a man slides along his own foreskin he gets the full range or motion necessary without chafing the vaginal walls. It is actually possible to "go all night" with a natural penis because of this. I can't stand circumcised sex for more than 10 minutes which is rarely enough time for him to pound me with his broom stick. I would never go back to circumcised sex after learning how sex is meant to feel both in theory and in practice."

"Circumcision is by far the cruelest and most unnecessary procedure to put an innocent baby with thoughts and feelings through!"

"In a time when American health care is in crisis, when critically ill patients are denied access, when it is clear that the next generations will not have adequate, BASIC care it is ABSURD that the most commonly performed surgery is utterly USELESS. Doctors should be ashamed of themselves for wasting time, expertise and resources with this."

"Men and women should have the same rights. It shouldn't even be an issue. Female circumcision has been shown to have medical benefits as well such as cancer prevention. Women are not choosing this surgery for themselves just like men are not choosing it for themselves. It only persists when we are allowed to force it on others."

"Count me among the mothers who wouldn't let a doctor get anywhere near my newborn son with a scalpel to do something so barbaric."

"I am so very glad I took my whole baby home!"

"There is no scream like the scream of a circumcision."

"If women were 'whining' about losing part of their vagina against their will it would be a national emergency. It would be on the cover of every newspaper and no one would dare question the emotional impact of feeling violated. Doctors would be sooooo careful to consider every alternative before taking even a tiny piece of sensitive vaginal tissue away from a young girl and yet give it little thought when it comes to boys."

"Had I seen and known 17 years ago what I know now, I would have stood guard over my son like a lioness protecting her cub; and I would kill any circumciser who dared come wielding a knife to MY healthy newborn baby son."

"I've literally cried every day at some point since I had my son circumcised. I don't know what I was thinking. I guess I wasn't thinking. I looked it up online before but I just let myself believe what I wanted to I guess because I wanted my son to fit in. It sounds so stupid saying it now. I'm really embarassed about that. If one of my kids ever did something so dumb to 'fit in' I would freak and yet I did something totally irreversible and unforgivable. The worst thing is that now I'm seeing all these uncut ones around and at least three of my friends didn't do it. I'm so mad that the doctors let me make a decision like that. They didn't even make it like a big deal. I started asking about it and the guy basically stopped me and said. 'I can't decide for you but I would do it if it were me'. What does that even mean? Is he a doctor or not? It was like a sales pitch where they don't want to be held accountable. I'm so mad about this. They should be required to explain it in a clear way. Plus I thought that since the doctor was Muslim that he would be more objective about it but now I find out that they do it too just like Jews so of course he would recommend it. I feel lied to and I'm really dreading explaining to my son why I did something so stupid. I could cry again now. The cultural motivation of doctors really needs to be discussed openly because this is out of control."

Maiming a man's sex organs significantly reduces his ability to be a sex partner to women. How blatantly obvious. The American obsession with the bald penis has given rise to an iatrogenic horror: a century of troubled American intercourse. It is high time we come to understand that the moving foreskin stands at the very center of the human sexual experience. The quotes could go on and on. The point is that anyone circumcising babies in spite of even a gander at anecdotes like those above can no longer claim ignorance and is in my opinion operating on nefarious interests. This is not a minor procedure and in almost all cases the parents signing the consent forms are not being adequately informed.

P.S. Please feel free to head off to your nearest hospital and make your way to the deepest darkest recesses wherein lies the ghastly circumcision chamber. If nothing else act in witness.

Unregistered
October 21st, 2011, 20:32
When you circumcise a baby, you are cutting off a part of his penis that you can cut off only because the person you're cutting it off of can't protect himself because he is a baby. The very idea of giving a baby an anesthetic so he won't feel you cutting part of his penis off is itself hideously misguided -- like giving everyone at Auschwitz Valium so they won't become overly excited when you herd them into gas chambers. Importantly I ask you,

a. Why are so many so anxious to destroy this exquisitely sensitive part of a child's body?
b. How many women have been led to think that something was wrong with them when the real cause of their problem was the partial penis of their circumcised partner?

Unregistered
December 17th, 2011, 23:13
The biggest travesty is the brainwashed perception that there is anything to debate about destroying a baby's penis in the most excruciating, unforgettable manner imaginable.

The agony of the victims of this crime must never be understated.

The standard hospital procedure for circumcision is to first stimulate the the baby's penis until it sticks up, so naturally all circumcised men have a very strong subconscious confusion between sex and violence. Even Ted Bundy mused on the question of why he would connect two such seemingly disparate things, and confirmed that his perversion was triggered long ago:

"This interest, for some unknown reason, becomes geared toward matters of a sexual nature that involves violence. I cannot emphasize enough the gradual development of this. It is not short term..."

Remarkably, neither Bundy nor serial killer researchers ever bothered to ask if he was raped with a razor as an infant (which he almost surely was). Movies like "Ted Bundy" automatically start the story at his adulthood, instead of asking any questions about what was done to him as a child. We start out looking at him as an adult and say, "He's insane!". But we only say behavior that we don't understand or cannot explain is insane. Considering that Bundy was strapped down and raped with a razor blade for twenty minutes right out of the womb, which was not only his first sexual experience, but also one of his first life experiences in general, is he really insane for thinking sex and violence are related? Knowing his first suckling at his mother's bust was shortly followed with the maximum pain known to man, lasting for twenty minutes - is it really inexplicable that he'd scream f- you b--ch! when raping women and making them bleed? Far from it. Bundy's response is one of the many normal responses that should be expected from infant genital mutilation.

If a baby is tortured genitally, then sexual stimulation is established first and foremost as painful, and all this gets connected to breasts (as the baby is still not weaned). With each circumcision, another human is being raised with the idea that sexual stimulation and torturous, bloody cutting are related. The earlier someone is cut, the greater the pain (as nervous tissue gets spread out through other tissues during maturity), and the deeper and more irreversible the psychological damage is.

jeff71913
December 17th, 2011, 23:59
so naturally all circumcised men have a very strong subconscious confusion between sex and violence.

I don't think so, but who knows? There are many European porn sites that offer sadistic porn and the men are clearly intact. Also, there have been many serial killers in Europe that I feel quite certain were intact. For every circumcised male that is violent I can show you an intact man that is also violent. Extreme violence in Mexico is rampant and most of the men there are intact. I fully understand your arguemnt and it is definitely worth considering, but there are many things here to consider.
I am circumcised and I wish no harm on anyone and I have never associated pain and violence with sexual pleasure. This is as complex as the mind itself. I think some people are simply violent; Doesn't matter if they are circumcised, intact, or even if they have a vagina. Some people are just mean.

Unregistered
January 11th, 2012, 18:44
Effect of Preputialectomy on Fighting Behavior in Mice (34779)
Ted D. McKinney and John Christians
Albert Einstein Medical Center,
Research Laboratories, Philadelphia, PA 19141
Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine,
vol. 134. no. 1 (May 1970): pp. 291-293

The preputials are modified sebaceous glands of unknown function. Preputial glands also tend to be heavier in dominant as compared to subordinate males among grouped mice of wild strains.

This paper shows that fighting behavior is modified when one, but not both members of paired male mice have been preputialectomized [circumcised].

Summary: Indices of aggressive behavior were measured in paired male house mice which previously had been preputialectomized or sham-operated. Total fights and attacking time were increased in pairs comprised of a preputialectomized and a sham-operated animal as compared to that observed in sham-operated pairs. Preputialectomized males also showed a tendency to initiate first attacks of a paired encounter.

(I also believe that violence upon an infant's genitals begets violence later.)

Manny
January 11th, 2012, 20:15
I agree with Jeff. Not only circumcised men are violent, intact men are also violent as well. It's both ways, I think.

As Jeff states correctly there are many factors involved, besides circumcision, that propitiate men to be violent or not. Maybe (highly probable) circumcision can trigger some of these violent behaviors but certainly not all.

I haven't read the studies "Effect of Preputialectomy on Fighting Behavior in Mice (34779)" and certainly they may be very interesting but, I believe at the end are studies done on animals that have a very basic instinct survival behavior mode and can't be really compared or extrapolated to the human spectrum because we are very complex beings (in many levels) that not only act upon instinct on some very basic things but also act upon a conscious thinking process where we can distinguish right from wrong (except on real pathological cases) and therefore, under normal circumstances, we can control our behavior, meaning we can consciously inflict harm or not.

Everything that humans know is because it has been taught to them. If you show an infant-boy/girl, man/woman to love, he/she will love, if you show him/her hatred and violence he/she will learn that also, no matter if they're circumcised or not.

Maybe, surely I guess, within time the circumcised boy will learn that something is missing from him and develope feelings that he will have to confront and solve the best way to heal from that emotional impact, but to a certain point where violence cannot be the answer. But, if he has learned violence since childhood because it's what he has learned from his environment it's sure he will respond with an unknown level of violence, but he's still capable to restrain his conduct and distinguish right from wrong.

But, as Jeff says, some people are just mean. No doubt about that.

Regards.

asdfjklmeh1
January 11th, 2012, 21:09
There has been a recent study published strongly correlating negative emotional profiles with infant circumcision.

The first 24 pages are available.

It is worth a read.

http://foreskin-restoration.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10144

Manny
January 12th, 2012, 13:47
I've read the study, partially.

Does anyone have the rest of it? Or where can I find it?

Thanx.

Regards.

Unregistered
February 19th, 2012, 13:50
You have got some powerful quotes in this thread. No one deserves a circumcision. On second thought, public low and tight circumcisions by especially recruited circumfetishist lunatics might be a good alternative to the death penalty.

Unregistered
February 19th, 2012, 14:31
From "How to Adore an Older Woman" ~
Gretchen shook her head. The crime of circumcision did not go unpunished, she said, especially in America.
By circumcising their sons, mothers made sure that the poor women they eventually married would be stuck with unruly and disobedient husbands. The Church of Cybele strictly prohibited the genital mutilation of their boys.
The official Church policy, as enunciated by the Twelve Matriarchs, maintained that the crude violence of circumcision afflicted men negatively throughout their lives. Among other things, the high rates of domestic violence in this country could reasonably be traced to the odious and vicious practice of circumcision.
Violence begets violence.
No wonder American boys acted like such jerks, Gretchen said. Their bare penises were a constant reminder of the pleasures foreclosed to them as the consequence of this horrid and hideous disfigurement.

AnonL
February 19th, 2012, 21:55
The whole document, from the other thread:

link to doc
http://www.mediafire.com/?gth8x86b2iyk0ku

Unregistered
February 28th, 2012, 20:19
"Many parents I have talked to are not even aware that it is an option NOT to circumcise, and the biggest L&D hospital in the area has a policy of trying to coerce parents into it here. I was asked with my oldest son at least 6 times even though I had it in my chart that we would not be circumcising, and I was even erroneously billed for the circumcision. When my second son was born, the resident implied that we could not be discharged from the hospital until he was circumcised."

Since America has sexually mutilated many tens-of-millions of men, it is no wonder that many American women complain about a lack of good men from which to choose. There is indeed a huge artificially created shortage of good (natural) men.

"Was I a lesbian and just did not know it?" [American woman knowing only sexually mutilated men and maritally committed to a sexually mutilated husband.]

The normalization of male sexual mutilation is a very telling subject. The more you know the worse it gets and the more difficult it becomes to grant any respect, at all, to those complicit.

Surely it's pure naivete at best to think something so extreme and horrific can be an anomaly, an incident almost completely isolated, in a bustling society otherwise straight and upright.

Unregistered
March 21st, 2012, 20:07
I am sympathetic with the rage that must be felt by those coming to the realization that they were strapped down and tortured out of their best genital parts. This is more than a heinous crime, it is a dehumanizing abomination, damaging the victim on multiple levels for the whole duration of his life.

Unregistered
April 25th, 2012, 03:17
"I now have to masturbate using a catcher's mitt and 00-grade steel wool."

REALLY!

Unregistered
May 20th, 2012, 20:22
Funny. I can bring myself to complete cloud 9 within 10 seconds if I want to. Of course, I am whole and couldn't be paid enough to be any other way.

Unregistered
May 22nd, 2012, 07:37
a. Why are so many so anxious to destroy this exquisitely sensitive part of a child's body?

They do it to babies because they can get away with doing it without anesthetic when it's on babies. They just keep the parents away from the circumcision chamber so no one of the public hears the brutal screams. If they didn't do it to babies they'd have to use local anesthetic like they do in Turkey (routine religious circumcision of 6 and 7 year olds), and the foreskins then would have to be trashed. As it is, the anesthetic-free foreskins amputated from American babies are in high demand and profitably sold. The real money is made by the buyers of these foreskins. One foreskin contains enough genetic material to grow 250,000 square feet of ultra-premium skin. If it's the economy, stupid, it only makes sense that routine infant circumcision as it stands ought to continue. And so it goes:

"California Governor Jerry Brown announced on Sunday that he signed a bill preventing local authorities from banning the practice of male circumcision."

Jamie
May 22nd, 2012, 07:53
What a sad thread this is. I just cant read it because I know I will identify with it.

Unregistered
June 3rd, 2012, 21:48
Another long page of quotes -- sites.google.com/site/completebaby/experiences

Example:

BOTH of my nephews (my brothers son and HIS brothers son) had botched circs and had to be re-circed at 8-9 months old under general anesthesia. My husband also had a botched circed that was never corrected. It took a while for my husband to realize that the issues he had with his were a direct result of a poorly done circ...

I've only been with ONE person. Someone with a tight circ. I thought it was normal sex. What did I have to compare with? At that time, the other women I knew, even if they'd been with multiple people they were all circ'd. So, they didn't know any better either.

I do know a couple of women who had an encounter with an intact man as well as circ'd. Those women seemed to think that the guy was particularly talentend and experienced. They never seem to make the connection. One of them was with a Romanian athlete. Anyhow, she STILL talks about those months with amazement, a glow in her eyes (she's now married to a cut american engineer with two kids, two cut little boys ). The best sex she has ever had in her life. It wasn't until after I suggested it may have something to do with the circ status that the wheels started turning.

The first encounter I had with a woman who outwardly professed the difference was with my doula. She was engaged to an intact man. She called him "super sexual", and said that the simplest touch would evoke the deepest pleasure. He was easy to please and their sex life was amazing. She was very experienced sexually (unlike myself) and told me that from her multiple experiences that she *knew* the difference first hand.

Anyhow, for all those years after I was married I thought what I was feeling was normal. That it was normal for a man to need such rough stimulation, that to pound away like that was normal. Sure, it hurt, and left me sore, but I thought that was my problem...KWIM? We had to buy extra lube, and that helped somewhat.

My husband too thought that it was normal to have a mixture of pain/pleasure during masturbation/sex as did I. Even though things would feel "good" there were also many negative/painful sensations as well. And, he couldn't O unless there was rough pounding stimulation.

The first so many years after we were married, I thought there was something "off" but tried my best to just put it in the back of my mind. Didn't want to deal with it...especially as I was going to be having sex with this person the REST of my life. I figured I'd better tolerate/get used to it. As I got older, and pregnant, the rough stuff became even MORE disturbing to me. So, I started learning more and the circ stuff explained it!

I learned about this while reading about circ, then after having a bleeding episode while pregnant (due to rough sex) I started to just get fed up with it. I resented that I had to keep reminding him to slow down, tell him that it was hurting, and I would get so overwhelmed during intercourse I was feeling like I was being raped (seriously felt disconnect) and I would cry afterwards. Here I was, pregnant, and worried that he was going to cause me to have a miscarriage. I am not kidding .

Learning all the information (I had bought the book in conjunction with a DOC book on amazon), it made me realize I was not alone. That I shouldn't have to suffer these negatives and not speak out. That what I had been experiencing wasn't really "normal", well, it was normal for a typically circumcised penis here in the US, but it wasn't normal human intercourse.

Of course, my husband was so upset at first, honestly he told me that I should just go start a relationship on the side with an intact man (I kid you not). Though, I was very reassuring that I did not want that, I just wanted him to be back to what he was meant to be so we could have the intimacy we were meant to. I told him..."if someone told you that you could have better sex and intimacy your whole life by doing this, wouldn't you at least CONSIDER it?"

So, we started the process of restoration. VERY slowly. It's already made a remarkable difference. My husband went into it, for me , not expecting anything. It's been pleasantly surprising for both of us. Whole new sensations exist for him that didn't before. There have also been many benefits for me as well.

He's definitely not as intactivist as I am, though he will speak out if asked. Not about the restoration, but he is very proud that our son is whole!

Owen
June 25th, 2012, 11:51
Give a man privacy and anonymity and he can begin to come clean about how badly damaged his sexual mutilation makes him feel -- and ought to make him feel. And women shouldn't be quietly talking among themselves about securing those fabled Intact Men, they should be openly shaming the mutilated half-men freely available, disgusted with the deeply flawed reality being imposed on them. It is NOT good enough, and no, hell no, they needn't accept it. They can absolutely be more than sheep and this if nothing else is what God expects of them.

Unregistered
July 1st, 2012, 16:22
i feel like half a man even though i only had the other half for an hour before it got cut off and i never really knew what it was like to have a foreskin

Unregistered
November 19th, 2012, 02:27
"If my only choices were to have sex with a circ'd guy or never have sex again-I'll never have sex again. Circ'd men are freakin lousey in bed."

If I was a straight woman with experience only with circ'd men, I think sex with another intact woman would be a big welcomed improvement. It's not just that circ'd men can't compete with intact men like me, they can't even compete with intact women.

alex-oh
November 19th, 2012, 18:01
I agree, this is incredibly depressing. But circumcised men need not despair: restoration shall set you free! ;)

We need not worry about the effect of sexual knowledge our partners do not have. In the US, except for maybe California and some other better-educated isolated places, most women don't even know about this major penis difference's effect on sex. And there are probably also women who lubricate so much they wouldn't notice as much difference. The common sexual ignorance of women works to the advantage of the circumcised here. When our women notice the difference from restoring, they'll be pleased. That's what really matters.

Yes, the tighter a circumcision, the more friction there will be (in sex and masturbation). If you have a big/bigger penis, there's already too much friction in sex. You can largely overcome this through gentler technique, more lube, and going slowly especially at first. (Never charge forward. You want her to want you. Act appropriately.) Conversely, the looser a circumcision is, the smoother sex feels. Like uncircumcised, restored penises have the smoothest sex possible. (Restored can even be smoother for extending more than one's natural foreskin did. Something like 20-30% of men's natural foreskin did not cover the glans entirely.)

Don't feel bad about the past or present when the best is on the horizon. Yeah, the FULL process takes years more often than not. But the skin gets noticeably looser in just a month or two (maybe three if it's especially tight to begin). There is no reason to be depressed. The people still living in ignorance are who should be depressed.

violated
November 20th, 2012, 00:16
wow. that first post really summed up a lot of feelings ive had that i havent been able to put into words. i have more, but that summed up a lot of it. and man, i just cant believe what the women have to say. ive never been more suicidal in my life, and ive been through some rough sh#t. ironically, because of being cicd in many cases. for years ive been desperately searching for the reason all my relationships fall apart. then when i finally learn the reason, A - its 10 times worse than i ever dreamed B - it comes with other devastating aspects C - its not something i can ever fix no matter what i do. (except for restoring, but thats not "fixing it, its just improving something thats severely damaged/missing forever). then as im learning these terrible facts, im finding out that many women already know all about it! and laugh about it with each other!! (i realize that some women arent mean about it, but they still would date me because im circd. kinda like if i was in an accident and maimed, she may feel terrible for me... but shes not gonna date me). people have known about this for years! why the F' hasnt this stuff come out a long time ago!?!? theres no excuse for this to still be happening!!! why the F' isnt this illegal yet!?!?

violated
November 20th, 2012, 00:18
("wouldnt" date me because im circd)

peterpink
November 20th, 2012, 01:00
people have known about this for years! why the F' hasnt this stuff come out a long time ago!?!? theres no excuse for this to still be happening!!! why the F' isnt this illegal yet!?!?

I seems that the growth of human awareness is a slowly evolving thing. You could also ask why was slavery not abandoned until the 19th century, and why is all the sex abuse in the catholic church only being revealed now when it has been going on for centuries. Like religion, circumcision is about power. Those with power over babies' genitals do not want to give up their power.:mad:

violated
November 20th, 2012, 01:35
i mean, i realize that. but what i cant understand is why women who know the difference havent been spreading this info among themselves for 100 years? i would think that by 40-50 years ago, society would pretty much know better. women share everything with each other (we all do), and they always have. and even if it was not "acceptable" to discuss such things in the first couple decades of this century (which im sure they did in private anyway. and there have always been prostitutes, who im sure have always had friends that werent prostitutes), what about the 60s and 70s? it shouldve at least stopped by then, like it has in other countries. and what about other countries? why have they not been telling us about this for the last 50 years? and where have all the immigrants been on this for the last 50 years? i understand the med industry, and the govt, the $ and the power and the myths. but why has it been kept such a secret by all the people who have known better for so long? and some act like its just common knowledge or something, like "what do you mean u didnt know that"? WTF!?!?

Unregistered
March 17th, 2013, 10:42
Isn't the circumcision of babies often nothing more than the desperate attempt of circumcised men to hide -- and to hide from -- their greatest secret fear?

What is it that keeps people from speaking out against this "thing" that causes so much torment, bitterness, and grief?