UK Women

[likes]

Amazed that every single woman on this thread from the UK is encouraging the OP to get her husband circumcised:
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/general_health/643898-dh-has-been-told-he-needs-to-be-circumcised/AllOnOnePage

[Americut]

While they're at it, why don't they encourage each other to have themselves circumcised. It'll "look better" on them too, huh!?

[Aeon]

They're so ignorant it's disgusting.

Very surprised to see this from women in the UK, I've never once heard anyone mention this ridiculous surgery here let alone people encouraging it. These women's attitude towards the male body is utterly repulsive. A bunch of brain-dead bints, the lot of them.

[finman]

This does not sound like a good advertisement for circumcision...pain, major bleeding, bleeding after intercourse, penis disappearing, infection etc. The longer term reduction in sensation is not even considered. Of course if there is a problem with a tight foreskin it will seem better removed, but longer term problems will follow. There should be treatment for the condition, not wholesale amputation. Would a hand be amputated to cure a sore finger?

[Saracen_restorer]

That's because they assume the medical opinion on phimosis is correct. This isn't unique to circumcision but a problem with the general public's unwarranted universal trust of doctors.

[cutitout27]

Well if you read it you'll notice the men in question were cut after having difficulty with their foreskins. So their partners were pleased with the results because the men were on one hand freshly cut. So no keratinization, and also having improved performance since they didn't have painful tight foreskins. If these men were cut for cosmetic reasons they would probably be singing a different tune.

[Saracen_restorer]

Well if you read it you'll notice the men in question were cut after having difficulty with their foreskins. So their partners were pleased with the results because the men were on one hand freshly cut. So no keratinization, and also having improved performance since they didn't have painful tight foreskins. If these men were cut for cosmetic reasons they would probably be singing a different tune.

In the long term, they'll regret it.

[Someone mundane]

Somebody should make a point to them that there is going to be an initial enthusiasm that will probably fade in time. If you have a problem with your organ, and getting cut to relieve it when you couldn't expose it before? Of course it may feel better in the immediate time. Especially since it was formerly protected by the skin and kept sensitive. It's like a child obtaining a shiny new toy. Why this fact escapes people I have no idea. Seems like common sense to me. Add that to the fact that the man in question will have no suitable reference of comparison besides his problematic foreskin, which is obviously not going to be remembered fondly or even accurately because of it's problems. I'm done ranting to the choir.

[keith-g]

I think you have to bear in mind, that most of these men seem to be in relationships and 30 years old or more. They also all clearly have some kind of problem relating to their foreskin and intercourse. They are not starting form a level playing field as it were, and there is some logic or reasoning behind the advice. The women are not advocating it for healthy penises and they are not your average man off the street, they are a select group of people, who will be seeing a benefit in the short term from being circumcised. The message they need to learn, is more to do with a future loss of sensitivity and that there are other non-surgical but slower options.

[likes]

Keith makes a sensible point. I do despair though over the keeness with which UK doctors will suggest a circumcision. In the US you have a problem with private medicine where doctors encourage RIC in order to get that easy $500 in their pocket.

In the UK we have a problem in that with a national system the doctors just want to sort your problem as quick as possible to keep the bills down. If they can whip off your foreskin and never see you again there is a danger they will do that instead of having consultations every few months to resolve a tight foreskin.

[Saracen_restorer]

Keith makes a sensible point. I do despair though over the keeness with which UK doctors will suggest a circumcision. In the US you have a problem with private medicine where doctors encourage RIC in order to get that easy $500 in their pocket.

In the UK we have a problem in that with a national system the doctors just want to sort your problem as quick as possible to keep the bills down. If they can whip off your foreskin and never see you again there is a danger they will do that instead of having consultations every few months to resolve a tight foreskin.

Both countries have problems with cartels\regulations\lack of competition; when you have a doctor able to command 100k because the state restricts supply it tends to escalate costs and reduce the time spent consulting with patients...

[John Lewis]

I think it is a question of them not being properly informed of just what the foreskin does. It is relatively rare in the UK to go for circumcision as an infant and especially as an adult.

I just made the point to a mum yesterday who said the circumcision had tidied things up and was better for hygiene. I did make the point the we would not 'tidy' up a female would we and also the moist parts in both the foreskin and vagina are protected by enzimes in the healthy person.

I think that you guys in the USA are more aware of your loss and what the foreskin should be doing for you. We may need to catch up here, before it becomes a fashionable thing to circumcise.

John

[likes]

I think John is right about people not being properly informed about what the foreskin does but I don't think there is any chance of it becoming 'fashionable' in the UK.

The danger is for boys or men who develop a foreskin problem that the doctor just suggests a circumcision as a solution. I am a subscriber to an amateur porn site called UK Real Women and I'm amazed that there are so many circumcised guys in a country with no RIC and relatively small Jewish and muslim populations.

[Saracen_restorer]

The danger is for boys or men who develop a foreskin problem that the doctor just suggests a circumcision as a solution. I am a subscriber to an amateur porn site called UK Real Women and I'm amazed that there are so many circumcised guys in a country with no RIC and relatively small Jewish and muslim populations.

Numbers-wise it may seem that way, in terms of overall percentage it's very low. The numbers I've looked at from various sources suggest around 10%, with the vast majority of those being religion-based.

[cutitout27]

I think a lot of these women are reacting to what amounts to a novelty situation. It's a new and different sort of penis compared to what they are used to. So they are appreciating the newness of it. Also it is not their bodies being altered. So they really aren't capable of looking at it as anything other than the solving of a problem that was vexing their spouses. These women want to be supportive of a decision made by their husbands to correct a problem. Whether or not the problems could be corrected by an alternative solution varies from case to case I'm sure. I don't think any of these women are going to support r.i.c. returning to the U.K.

[WoundedBird]

Phimosis is often harmless. I have been with men who were non-retractable, several of them. They experienced amazing sexual pleasure and could pass urine with no problem. Most people don't realize that retractability isn't even necessary. As long as urine and semen can be passed through the preputial opening, one does not actually need to be able to retract.

It is disgusting that men's body's are a canvas upon which other people think they can pain their wishes. It's sexual tissue that they are willing to remove without any deep thought. At least men cut as adults usually retain their frenulum, which had a chance to develop it's full structure and sensation. Adult circumcision is usually far less damaging than infant.

At least in the UK most people would agree those women are nutters. In the US circumcision is heralded as a wonderful, necessary thing.

[likes]

I think cutitout has a good point about these women seeing a problem and being happy with the solution. I don't think they would be regarded as 'nutters'. The reason I posted was that there was a strange unanimity on the thread.

With phimosis it is, of course, possible to be functional. But you have to remember that it is usually caused by someone damaging the foreskin by pulling it back too soon on a boy. This can be compounded by further damage so it does damage the enjoyment of sex by making it painful. So I can see where the women are coming from even if I am surprised.

What is so strange is that nobody mentioned trying to use a glansie. They advertise via ads on google search on circumcision so I am surprised some guys have not picked up on it.

[John Lewis]

Just another comment that is in the same vein. When our boys (twins) were about 5 years old they had that tight foreskin that I thought might become a problem, and wondered if they did a stretching procedure, not wanting them to be circumcised. Wise doctor said to leave them alone and all would be well as they grew.

They are adults now and yes fully intact, functioning men.

John

[gdom]

I think a lot of these women are reacting to what amounts to a novelty situation.

It's an old marketing tool. Bose for example presents a supposedly prosumer speaker to the public at a premium, when in fact they are just bass-heavy speakers marketed as "better." In fact, they are just different and are actually worse than cheaper speakers because of this.

But it works, people buy Bose because they can't believe what they've been "missing," when in fact they were never meant to hear it like that in the first place.

[finman]

At least men cut as adults usually retain their frenulum, which had a chance to develop it's full structure and sensation. Adult circumcision is usually far less damaging than infant.

At least the surgeon knows what the end result is likely to be as there is no more growth and can use anaesthetic to reduce psychological pain damage. However, it is infinitely better to leave the foreskin alone.

[likes]

I always thought it was quite common to leave the frenulum in RIC (that is my case). Equally I posted a story of a Slovenian guy who had an adult circ and had all the inner skin removed. I think it is difficult to generalise.

One thing I think men who have been circ'd as adults don't take into account is the loss of sensation due to rubbing. Those women who say their husbands haven't lost any sensation haven't waited long enough.

[cutitout27]

I always thought it was quite common to leave the frenulum in RIC (that is my case). Equally I posted a story of a Slovenian guy who had an adult circ and had all the inner skin removed. I think it is difficult to generalise.

One thing I think men who have been circ'd as adults don't take into account is the loss of sensation due to rubbing. Those women who say their husbands haven't lost any sensation haven't waited long enough.

Exactly. I wondered about that too. But the strange thing is I've heard both sides of that theory. Men cut as adults who noticed no difference in sensations, and men cut as adults who noticed immediate loss of sensations.