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Dasher
December 29th, 2010, 20:22
I don't know about you, but I find it hard to believe that a kid that grew up intact in the U.S. had such a fear of anyone seeing his uncircumcised penis that he would retract his foreskin years before it should have been retracted, and try to pass for circumcised. Consider this, and I apologize that it is so long:

"In grades 1 and 2, I was made fun of by the older boys at the school urinal, which was a zero privacy zone. Not until 4th grade did I discover that I could look circumcised by retracting my foreskin. All whispering about my peculiar penis instantly ceased. In 6th and 7th grades, I was confident enough of my ability to conceal my foreskin that I would let other boys watch me urinate while erect. In junior high, the only classmate whom I knew to be intact once said to me in a voice tinged with malice, "I know yours is covered with skin." I was deeply afraid that he would tell the other boys. At the time, I had no idea he and I were normal.

"I dreaded hernia checks in scout camp, fearing that an adult would comment on my foreskin and the other boys would ridicule me. Some boys would boast in my presence of mutual masturbation, exhibitionist, and other nighttime sex play. I was never invited to participate, a fact which led to deeply mixed feelings. On one hand, I was disappointed that the other boys did not like or trust me enough to ask me to join in. On the other, homosexual acts did not interest me at all, my sexual curiosity being wholly for the other sex. Most of all, I was terrified of how other boys would react to my foreskin. The prospect of having to shower in the presence of other boys in summer camp and in gym filled me with dread. On the first dozen-odd days I had gym, I kept my foreskin retracted using a rubber band. It was hard to find the Goldilocks rubber band--tight enough to do the job, yet not so tight as to result in discomfort. I soon discovered that I could very quickly pull my foreskin back before slipping out of my underwear, and that it would stay back while I showered. I noted that other intact boys (who were very rare) did not betray any evident embarrassment. But I simply could not bring myself to imitate their example.

"Other incidents did not make me paranoid but marked my impressionable spirit in other ways: two or three times a year, I played with the son of an American friend of my mother’s. He was kind and not oversexed. When we would pee in the woods, he would begin with his foreskin fully extended, then glance at my retracted foreskin (from age 9 to 45, I always peed with my foreskin fully retracted), assume I was cut, blush, and try to pull his foreskin back, without complete success. We never talked about it.

"I once went on a 10 day scout camping trip in Europe. Because intact prepubescent boys typically do not retract their foreskins when urinating (I was an exception) and because the foreskin has a marked effect on the urine stream, one does not need to see the penis to determine that it is uncut. One of the boys had been circumcised at age 9 because of a chronic rash. The other boys were fascinated about this fact and he talked about it happily and freely. No one made fun of him. Thus I learned that circumcision after infancy was not especially painful, but that the recovery required about 10 days of down time. No boy knew the word "circumcision," or the operation's religious significance, until I enlightened them (my own knowledge was quite new at the time). A boy interjected “Cutting it off makes no sense; I wash myself carefully down there every time I take a bath.” Much of their childish phallic humor, by the way, from the way an intact penis resembles a banana. The boys were curious about how I looked; while I evaded their questions, my habit of peeing with my foreskin retracted convinced them that I was circumcised. I did not disabuse them and they made no fun me of me whatsoever. I was so uptight I could not admit to having a foreskin even to friendly intact boys."

Maybe this is an extreme case, but it is still very unsettling. I didn't know a single intact boy who retracted his foreskin all the way unless during masturbation or washing it. I had a tight foreskin, so retracting it was not an option for me. I noticed that some boys who were 15 or 16 years old sometimes pulled the skin back a little when they peed, but never all the way.

{mod: If this is not your writing, please credit the source. Sounds like c i r c l i s t to me. }

Joseph
December 30th, 2010, 07:14
I'm intact, and in my experience, in the 1st grade, boys did not go near each other when peeing. If you got caught trying to sneak a peak at other boys, you got beat up.

I pretty much minded my own business, didn't know about circumcision, and could care less what other boys' penises looked at that age.

Went K-12 in California without ever showering naked with other guys. I didn't find out about circumcision and its "American-ness" until I was about 16-17.

Yeah dude... reads a lot like the masturbatory fantasies of a guy who never knew a foreskin.

Peel it back in the 1st grade? Boys looking on? Keeping it back with a rubberband? Pee erect? Really?

Smells like what Ron says to me... stay OUT of those places.

peterpink
December 30th, 2010, 14:05
"I dreaded hernia checks in scout camp, fearing that an adult would comment on my foreskin and the other boys would ridicule me."[/I]

What's with the hernia checks? Sounds like the scout masters were obsessed with male genitalia or gay! Apparently Baden Powell was interested in the naked male body.

AnonS5
December 30th, 2010, 14:55
Whether this is true or not I did hear stories of intact guys with a fear of being made fun of by their circed counterparts in urinals and showers.

Here various options of dealing with so:
1) In my school looking at someone else peeing is very dangerous because you will get beat up for it as people there tend to be homophobic. Although i'm gay and don't tolerate homophobia, if I were intact and someone were staring at my dick laughing i'd say " what are you gay" and they'd turn away, or like in a story I read I would deep down feel gloriously different for the fact that i'd have all of my dick.

2) Get an excuse not to public shower and pee in stalls. Or deal with it. Like I said tell em how you're gloriously different.


Kids get bullied over everything but it is so enraging that parents have the majority of their child's dick cut off so they wont be bullied (fat chance) and in order to satiate a bunch of childish kids. It's sickening.

AnonS5
December 30th, 2010, 16:14
There is a guy on restoreforeskin.org who had a short intact foreskin and chose to wear it back so as not to be noticed by the cut majority at his school.

Also I agree with the mod note, you should really quote your sources.

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Grew-Up-Intact-In-The-Usa/805583

To be honest the passage resonates for me, its simply the opposame of what I experienced as a cut male in the UK.

I read the passage too and I believe that the original post here is a probably a post from circlist.

What spoke to me from the passage is the sadistic side of circumcision. It makes so much sense and sickens me as well as the disgust and emotions intertwined with circumcision with how a cut father wouldn't be able to come to grips with being reminded of what he lacks.

AnonS5
December 30th, 2010, 17:13
Did you read the link or just skim it? The author is clearly a foreskin advocate, despite his experiences.

Mhm I read it the whole article. I just wanted to point out the points that really spoke to me and hit home.

cutitout27
January 3rd, 2011, 22:36
My first experience of seeing a foreskin was at the urinals in first grade. I was peeing, and heard a commotion to my left. I glanced over at the intact penis of a Japanese classmate. Everyone was pointing and laughing at it. I still remember feeling horrified at its appearance. To me it looked mutilated somehow. I felt a deep sense of sorrow toward my classmate unable to process what had happened to him. How sad that is to me decades later.

siog
January 4th, 2011, 07:56
Very unsettling indeed. Let's hope that the attitudes are changing as the percentages are definitely changing, even in Caucasian US-born.

Crazy_Coyote
January 5th, 2011, 03:17
Such a person is surely acting under the pretense of the pro circ monsters. More than likely this was one of those monsters trying to make his case sound better through the means of false anecdotes. I am intact, and i couldn't really pull it back all the way when i was that age, and i remember quite well going to the bathrooms. everyone had to be at least 3 urinals away and would keep to their own business. To the keen observer, much of this story is obviously false and full of holes, but what worries me are the ones who will believe whatever they read without so much as a second thought. I envision an expecting parent who was not considering it as an option, suddenly have a change of heart due to this. Coming from an immigrant family, my father apparently was close to hitting the doctor when he asked if they wanted me cut.

AnonS5
January 6th, 2011, 00:20
Such a person is surely acting under the pretense of the pro circ monsters. More than likely this was one of those monsters trying to make his case sound better through the means of false anecdotes. I am intact, and i couldn't really pull it back all the way when i was that age, and i remember quite well going to the bathrooms. everyone had to be at least 3 urinals away and would keep to their own business. To the keen observer, much of this story is obviously false and full of holes, but what worries me are the ones who will believe whatever they read without so much as a second thought. I envision an expecting parent who was not considering it as an option, suddenly have a change of heart due to this. Coming from an immigrant family, my father apparently was close to hitting the doctor when he asked if they wanted me cut.

I wish I had loving and caring and smart parents like yours. You are so lucky man.

Crazy_Coyote
January 6th, 2011, 02:16
I wish I had loving and caring and smart parents like yours. You are so lucky man.

Well my in my parents native homeland, it is almost unheard of. They had no idea of its popularity when they arrived here, but learned quickly after having 2 boys. They always have been against it since they learned about it. I too wish there was no reason for a site like this, but people wear blinders their entire life and see nothing wrong with such a hideous act. I learned about this through one of my friends who is also a member of this site and decided to join and help support the intactivist movement.

AnonS5
January 7th, 2011, 20:49
Well my in my parents native homeland, it is almost unheard of. They had no idea of its popularity when they arrived here, but learned quickly after having 2 boys. They always have been against it since they learned about it. I too wish there was no reason for a site like this, but people wear blinders their entire life and see nothing wrong with such a hideous act. I learned about this through one of my friends who is also a member of this site and decided to join and help support the intactivist movement.

Nice job on the part of you and your friends helping us out as intactivists. And I always hear in countries where mutilating a boys genitals or circumcision in this country - so to speak :) is unheard of, it is thought of as barbaric - which any person in their right mind would think. In Europe, Asia, South America, and Southern North America and Austrailia somewhat they all see it as barbaric. Guess we're the backwards ones. No wonder this country is fucked up.

bxrbrfs
March 22nd, 2011, 06:33
When I was younger - like 10 or 11 younger - my brother had a friend over and we had a water fight. Well after a water fight you have to change and dry off, which involved getting naked. My brother and his friend who are both circed stripped down, so being younger and looking up to my brother I did to. Both pointed and laughed at my foreskin.

It was many years before I got over that... It sounds simple enough but the younger you are the you're affected by that stuff.

Kind Of funny because years later he's commented somewhat wistfully about me being intact. I think part of what changed was I had intact friends who he thinks are cool and who are very open and proud about being that way. I don't hold it against him now, but it bothered me quite a bit at the time.

cutitout27
March 27th, 2011, 00:44
It's interesting that you have a circ'd older brother, yet you were spared. I have a handful of friends who are cut, but have intact younger brothers. In all those cases the age difference is at least 8 years. And in all those cases they are half brothers.

bxrbrfs
March 29th, 2011, 23:20
I was born at home and my brother was born in hospital but I'm not sure if that has anything to do w it.

He always had circled friends oddly enough, and by no choice of my own most of mine were intact like me. :?

Dasher
March 30th, 2011, 03:19
I was born at home and my brother was born in hospital but I'm not sure if that has anything to do w it.

He always had circled friends oddly enough, and by no choice of my own most of mine were intact like me. :?

A teenager who was cut but began restoring when he was only 14 or 15, and finished restoring before his senior year in high school, found that he was taken for intact and was accepted by the intact kids at school. One of them told him, "You're one of us". I think the point he was making was that his restoration job was successful, because he was now able to pass for intact. But he also seemed to be saying that one unexpected byproduct of his foreskin restoration was the addition of several new friends who were intact.

PS--It may be that your older brother might be interested in FR.

bxrbrfs
March 30th, 2011, 06:32
He might be interested, but we're hardly on good terms anymore.