Newbie questions: difference between tugging to develop inner vs outer skin?

[thenewguy]

Hi all, long time lurker/researcher, first time poster. I have decided that I've done enough homework to begin experimenting with some simple Manual tugging methods. I've come across various info that makes reference to stretching either the "inner skin" or the "outer skin", with the "inner skin" referring to the remaining mucosal tissue and the "outer skin" referring to the shaft skin. I have done a fair amount of manual tugging using a manual tucking of the glans, followed by tugging upwards on the shaft. Using this, I have definitely seen a fair amount of skin bunching occurring around my circumcision scar.

Unfortunately, I think that I may also have been tugging too hard, as I have developed a fair amount of what looks like webbed scar tissue on my lower ventral shaft. Since my internet research has found a lot of anecdotes from people mentioning that the newly developed inner mucosa is really what helps to increase moisture on the covered glans and increase sensation, I was thinking that maybe I should take a break from stretching the shaft skin and focus on developing this inner skin. The problem is, I can't seem to find any info on how to do this.

Does the inner skin stretch with the outer skin at a certain point in development, or does it need to be stretched independently? I started out very tight (C1) and am currently between C2 and C3 (looks fairly wrinkled). Am I at a point where I can stretch the inner skin? Also, my aforementioned tugging method put a fair amount of stretch on my lower shaft/scrotal area, which I have recently read is considered undesirable. Since any kind of tucking method (manual tucking, cross taping, etc.) seems to pull my hairy lower shaft skin upwards a fair bit, should I not use these anymore? I'd rather not expand the reach of shaft hair upwards.

I am glad to finally be in the game, and I look forward to hearing everyone's opinions/advice. Thanks in advance!

[Tally]

I suggest using manual tugging method 2 (http://www.restoringforeskin.org/public/manual-tugging/method-2). With method 2 you can target your inner skin, your outer skin, or all the skin between your glans and hair line (best option). Until you get some coverage, you need to tug all your skin between your glans and shaft hair line.

As for the webbed scar tissue on the ventral side, perhaps that is your frenulum.

[Distalero]

Also, my aforementioned tugging method put a fair amount of stretch on my lower shaft/scrotal area, which I have recently read is considered undesirable. Since any kind of tucking method (manual tucking, cross taping, etc.) seems to pull my hairy lower shaft skin upwards a fair bit, should I not use these anymore? I'd rather not expand the reach of shaft hair upwards.

I am glad to finally be in the game, and I look forward to hearing everyone's opinions/advice. Thanks in advance!

I assume by "tucking" you made a typo, and really meant tugging. You don't have to worry about so-called "hair creep", it won't happen. There are the usual short-sighted (to be kind) guys who think it's "undesirable". What it actually is, is immaterial. These people usually are the same guys who don't actually do anything to restore, so they're just mouthing words they've heard, not speaking from experience. Everyone who tugs sees some amount of temporary stretch applied to scrotal skin. Shaft skin and scrotal skin (and belly skin) are all continuous; there's no real way around putting some tension on the more immediate areas of hair bearing skin, if you have some proximal shaft hair. Virtually all of us do. This small amount of tension isn't enough to expand these areas (ie, the areas with hair bearing skin).

I think you're on to something with a trial of manual tugging. It's my advice to continue with it. In my (somewhat brief) experience with manual (approximately 1 year) it's been more effective than other methods I've tried, overall. When I say "brief" I'm referring to just the manual method. I've tugged with a strap and canister for many years and essentially reached my goal of flaccid coverage much beyond the glans tip. So I speak from longstanding personal experience.

[photenman]

I'm no expert but I think you want a bi-directional device like the TLC-X which I use. It pushes down on the glans and I believe would increase the length of the inner mucosal skin. It does not pull on the shaft skin.

I have read here that foreskin restoration does not pull scrotal skin up but creates more skin so there is less scrotal skin/hair on the shaft.

Again I'm no expert and others will know more.

[thenewguy]

Thanks all for your responses. In mentioning "tucking", I was actually referring to what I have realized (upon further reading) is called the "Squeeze Stretch" method, where the Glans is tucked as far into the shaft skin as possible, after which I tug upwards on the skin that is pinched over it. I have also found outwards and upwards (towards me) tugging of the skin from my scar up to be very effective.

Right now, my biggest challenge is getting the amount of my dorsal skin to match my ventral skin. I had made a foolish and immature attempt at some supposed penis lengthening stretches a few years back (extremely dumb idea), and in doing so I inadvertently grew a LOT of extra ventral skin. I'd say that right now, my dorsal skin is at a C-2, and my ventral skin is close to a C-4 (mostly from a lot of strong upwards tugging). PLEASE NOTE that this is in no way an endorsement of these "enhancement stretches", as their results are dubious, and their methods downright dangerous (think permanent nerve damage).

I think that when my dorsal skin matches the ventral, I'll be able to properly use a device (which would work much better with my lifestyle).

[1Taoist]

Drop the "tucking" term. Glad you found squeeze-stretch, but call it that. Or pretty soon you'll be telling us how much better "fugging" is with a farseskin.

[Porco.Rosso]

I suggest using manual tugging method 2 (http://www.restoringforeskin.org/public/manual-tugging/method-2). With method 2 you can target your inner skin, your outer skin, or all the skin between your glans and hair line (best option). Until you get some coverage, you need to tug all your skin between your glans and shaft hair line.

As for the webbed scar tissue on the ventral side, perhaps that is your frenulum.

You're saying that tugging the skin between the glans and the hair line is the best option but... I find it really hurtful...
It stretches my frenulum too much and it's also painful at the scar line...

Do you have any suggestions to help me ?

Thanks

[Tally]

I suggest using manual tugging method 2 (http://www.restoringforeskin.org/public/manual-tugging/method-2). With method 2 you can target your inner skin, your outer skin, or all the skin between your glans and hair line (best option). Until you get some coverage, you need to tug all your skin between your glans and shaft hair line.

You're saying that tugging the skin between the glans and the hair line is the best option but... I find it really hurtful...
It stretches my frenulum too much and it's also painful at the scar line...

Do you have any suggestions to help me ?

Thanks

It sounds like you may be tugging with too much tension.

Did you start tugging lightly to get the feel for how to tug and to learn how your penis reacts? Then, over a period of days, you should slowly increase tugging tension. When it starts hurting because you are tugging with too much tension, back off. It should not hurt when you tug.

It is also possible to apply less tension on your frenulum by positioning your hands. Experiment with different ways of gripping your skin and different hand positions to see if you can reduce the tension at the frenulum.