Need to fake a circumcision, please help

[Chiflado]

Dear forum members,

I will be married to my Indonesian fiancée later this month (I am from Germany).
Unfortunately, some members of her family insist that I be circumcised.
Neither my fiancée nor me want this.
There is no reasoning with said family members, they go into a tantrum when we even mention the possibility of making any kind of compromise.
They may even expel my fiancée from the family for that.
We can't just tell them I've had a circumcision because they will most likely verify.

That is why I am asking you, who I suppose have some know-how in the matter, if there any way to make a penis look like it has been circumcised? I suppose they wouldn't do a thorough check, just a quick look, so the disguise has to be temporary only and doesn't have to be superstable.

Thank you so much in advance for any advice

Thank you very much in advance

[tony12345]

This sounds like a very strange family your marrying into :rolleyes:

You may be able to use MRS adhesive to temporarily hold the skin back. Apply between the folds of shaft skin and it should hold it back.

http://shop.foreskin-restoration.info/MRS-II-MRS-II.htm

[Chiflado]

Thank you very much for your quick reply Tony.
Yes, weird family, they are otherwise nice people, but you can imagine how religious dogma can turn good people into cruel ones *sigh*
Unfortunately I'm in Indonesia right now and I'm afraid there won't be enough time to order the product you mentioned :(
Any ideas with materials available over the counter from any pharmacy?
Thank you so much!

[w.o.f.]

Alder, was geht. Ich finde es bedenklich, dass deine Braut der barbarischen Idiotie ihrer Familie nicht eine glasklare Absage erteilt.

Außerdem: Wenn die schon bei dir drauf achten, wie genau stehen dann die Chancen, einen Sohn heil durch seine Kindheit zu begleiten?

Dessen Vorhaut würdest eben *nicht* zurückziehen dürfen (die Vorhaut und die Eichel sind bei Kindern natürlicherweise verklebt und dürfen nicht vorzeitig mit Gewalt auseinandergerissen werden, es drohen sonst bleibende Schäden!). Das heißt aber, dass die Familie deiner Frau dann auf die Genitalverstümmelung deines Sohnes beharren würde -- und deine Frau würde dem nachgeben, weil sie nicht aus ihrer rückständigen Sippe verstoßen werden will.

Mein Rat: Such dir eine Frau, der du wichtiger bist (und eure Söhne!) als ihre rückständige Sippe.

[Chiflado]

Danke für die Antwort. Bringt mir jetzt zwar nichts aber trotzdem danke!
Meine Verlobte und ich werden dann nach Deutschland ziehen, die Familie bleibt in Indonesien. Die werden dann keinen Einfluss auf uns oder unsere Kinder haben. Meine Verlobte steht zu mir, und wäre sogar bereit für mich verstossen zu werden. Das würde ich aber gerne vermeiden und würde die inteloranten Verwandten lieber reinlegen.
Irgendwelche Ideen?

[w.o.f.]

Naja, tony's Idee mit dem MRS-Kleber ist technisch möglich.

Aber ich hab keine Ahnung, wie gründlich die das kontrollieren. Das wäre ja schon superkrass, wenn die das dann rausfinden, so live vor der versammelten Mannschaft. Mein Ratschlag ist, seid ehrlich. Wenn ihre Family das dann nicht verpacken kann, scheiß drauf. Besser, als riskieren, dass so ein Betrug auffliegt, dann habt ihr auf jeden Fall bei der Familie verkackt.

[Chiflado]

Das ist nur Plan B. Plan A ist zu sagen, ich bestehe darauf den Eingriff in Deutschland zu haben (bessere Hygiene usw.). Wir überlegen uns gerade andere Strategien.
Beschneidung ist für die traditionell und religiös erforderlich, sonst keine Heirat. 2 in der Familie stehen zu mir, 2 dagegen. So ein Scheiss, gell?

[w.o.f.]

Plan A ist zu sagen, ich bestehe darauf den Eingriff in Deutschland zu haben (bessere Hygiene usw.).
Damit, dass du deren ganzes Land beleidigst, hätten die also weniger Probleme? Es wird immer verwirrender. Komisches Volk.

sonst keine Heirat
Nee. Sonst keine Heirat mit deren Segen. Scheiß auf deren Segen.

[peterpink]

This is the moment in life when you need stand your ground and be a real man. Stand up to their primitive beliefs. They have been brainwashed by their culture. No one has the right to demand that you get parts surgically removed from your genitals. You are the owner of your own body- not them. They are wrong from every position except from within their cultural blindness (which does not count).

Just keep saying 'no'. Do not argue. Just print off these papers and give to them to each adult member of the family: http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/cold-taylor/ and http://www.nocirc.org/touch-test/bju_6685.pdf

If they get violent and threatening you could take the matter to the police.

[admin]

I'd be inclined to just say flatly "none of your business."

I'm concerned about your future wife. She has suffered hood incision, or worse?

[Dasher]

In the past, uncircumcised guys have used a rubber band to hold their foreskin back, and pass for circumcised.

In Japan, where almost all guys are intact, there is a small group who have a foreskin but think it's more genteel to keep it pulled back when they show their penis to others...I think they are called kawakamuri or something like that...and they have a way of keeping their foreskin skinned back so it can't creep back up over the glans and cover it again.

I hope you're not in Indonesia. They have roving bands of religious fanatics who will kidnap you and circumcise you, as some Australian Christian missionaries have found out the hard way.

I think I would want to stay in Germany, but that's just me :)

[w.o.f.]

I hope you're not in Indonesia
Yeah, he is. I honestly don't understand why he doesn't just leave for Germany with or without the woman.

[Dasher]

Yeah, he is. I honestly don't understand why he doesn't just leave for Germany with or without the woman.

You got it right. I'd be booking my flight right now. Mit der Braut oder ohne.

[tony12345]

Thank you very much for your quick reply Tony.
Yes, weird family, they are otherwise nice people, but you can imagine how religious dogma can turn good people into cruel ones *sigh*
Unfortunately I'm in Indonesia right now and I'm afraid there won't be enough time to order the product you mentioned :(
Any ideas with materials available over the counter from any pharmacy?
Thank you so much!

Well you could try using Crazy Glue (Cyanoacrylate glue). It should hold for a few hours, and you can use acetone (nail polish remover) to remove. I have found that despite it's strong initial bond, Crazy glue tends to peel from skin after 6-8 hours. Perhaps the skin can be pulled back and glued at the base, and pubic hair may be able to conceal it.

Some skin tone foundation makeup may further help disguise and camouflage. Try to cover over the pinkness of the glans. Some dark makeup maybe even be used to make a faux circ scar.

[Joseph]

Even if you "fake" a circumcision, your new family will be adamant that your children be circumcised. And then what are you going to do?

Take a stand, or leave. Give your wife and family an ultimatum. You will not be circumcised, and neither will your children, or the marriage is off.

And have the balls to leave them if they don't meet your standards. There is absolutely no reason for you to stay in a situation that you do not want.

Get out of this situation while you still can.

Find a family that will support your decision to remain intact, and keep your children intact.

[Aspie]

I agree with the guys how are telling you to hold your ground because if you don't hold your ground there is a very good chance this lie your wanting to tell will snowball out of control, so deal with it now while it is a small issue :D

[Runsfromknives]

Even if you "fake" a circumcision, your new family will be adamant that your children be circumcised. And then what are you going to do?

Take a stand, or leave. Give your wife and family an ultimatum. You will not be circumcised, and neither will your children, or the marriage is off.

And have the balls to leave them if they don't meet your standards. There is absolutely no reason for you to stay in a situation that you do not want.

Get out of this situation while you still can.

Find a family that will support your decision to remain intact, and keep your children intact.

I completely agree.

[hastur]

I would be on the next mode of transport,plane boat,hell start swimming,before they hold you down,pull off your pants and cut off your foreskin with the nearest sharp object they can find.
It does happen.....repeat-THIS DOES HAPPEN IN INDONESIA.
Religious nuts have no limits.Otherwise good normal loving people will commit atrocities in the name of the invisible sky daddy.
For you safety sir....RUN!

[hastur]

Run sir....you are in danger....

Indonesia
Maluku Islands
Thousands of Christians were forcibly circumcised in the Moluccas from December 1999 to January 2001. The Sydney Morning Herald reported in detail on this, stating that "almost all" of 3,928 villagers forced to convert to Islam were circumcised. Razors and knives were reused, causing infections. One of those circumcised, Kostantinus Idi, reported: "I could not escape," he said. "One of them held up my foreskin between pieces of wood while another cut me with a razor ...the third man held my head back, ready to pour water down my throat if I screamed. But I couldn't help but scream and he poured the water. I kept screaming aloud and vomited. I couldn't stand the pain." He further reported that one of the clerics urinated on his wound, saying it would stop infection. The Sydney Morning Herald reported that the forced conversions and forced circumcisions had been condemned by moderate Muslim leaders who said they were contrary to Islamic teachings. The local governor had also investigated the incidents

[jeff71913]

This reminds me of an old song by Paul Simon titled: "There must be fifty ways to leave your lover."

I would give one a try. Soon.

Tschüß

jeffrey

[admin]

"A boy refusing to go through circumcision is carried by volunteers during a mass circumcision in Kampung Nakhoda village, north of Kuala Lumpur, December 19, 2008.

http://tlctugger.com/images/MalaysianRefusnik.jpg

About 25 boys, aged between 7 and 11 years old, were given a grand welcome to a mass circumcision surgery, including a ceremony similar to the reception of a groom at a wedding, in festivities some consider as a celebration of reaching manhood."

-REUTERS/Bazuki Muhammad

{ok, it's Malaysia. But I'm sure the same photo could be shot in Indonesia}

[finman]

in festivities some consider as a celebration of reaching manhood

Rather, mutilating his manhood :eek:

[Inactive]

Tell them to "fuck off" tbh

[Joseph]

{ok, it's Malaysia. But I'm sure the same photo could be shot in Indonesia}

Or Singapore... or the Philippines...

But unless the person being held were a girl, nobody bats an eye.

:mad:

[BamaDude]

I would be on the next mode of transport,plane boat,hell start swimming,before they hold you down,pull off your pants and cut off your foreskin with the nearest sharp object they can find.
It does happen.....repeat-THIS DOES HAPPEN IN INDONESIA.
Religious nuts have no limits.Otherwise good normal loving people will commit atrocities in the name of the invisible sky daddy.
For you safety sir....RUN!
Agreed. You're playing in their ball park, and they get to make the rules. If (God forbid!) you get forcibly circumcised by your fiance's more militant family members, what would you be able to do? Don't think for one second that your fiance's family members aren't considering a "Plan B" strategy to get you circumcised before the wedding whether you agree to it or not, even if that means quite literally "taking matters into their own hands".
If I were you, I wouldn't shut my eyes until I was back home safe in Germany with my foreskin still attached. You can find girlfriends and fiances with families who don't have a burning desire to cut off a part of your body anywhere, but finding another foreskin if the one you've got gets stolen is not gonna happen.

[iwantitback]

It is pathetic that you are even considering "faking" a circumcision. If her family wanted you to murder a child, would you "fake it"?

Be a fucking man and stand up for what is right. Tell those stupid motherfuckers you have no interest cutting off parts of your body. If they hold it against you, fuck them!!

If you fake being circumcised by taping you skin back or something rediculous like that then I don't know how you could possibly have any self respect.

This is your life and your decision dude. Sheesh.

[w.o.f.]

It is pathetic that you are even considering "faking" a circumcision. If her family wanted you to murder a child, would you "fake it"?

Be a fucking man and stand up for what is right. Tell those stupid motherfuckers you have no interest cutting off parts of your body. If they hold it against you, fuck them!!

If you fake being circumcised by taping you skin back or something rediculous like that then I don't know how you could possibly have any self respect.

This is your life and your decision dude. Sheesh.
Spot-on.

Plus, if the woman isn't instantly ready and willing to give her culturally retarded family the finger, he shouldn't give half a toss about leaving her with them.

A partner who wants to be on good terms with their mutilation-enthusiastic clan? Total dealbreaker.

[Inactive]

It is pathetic that you are even considering "faking" a circumcision. If her family wanted you to murder a child, would you "fake it"?

Be a fucking man and stand up for what is right. Tell those stupid motherfuckers you have no interest cutting off parts of your body. If they hold it against you, fuck them!!

If you fake being circumcised by taping you skin back or something rediculous like that then I don't know how you could possibly have any self respect.

This is your life and your decision dude. Sheesh.

Thank you :D

[hopeforemore237]

Well, that may seem simple enough, but Indonesia has one of the largest muslim populations (Islam is the dominant religion in Indonesia, which also has a larger Muslim population than any other country in the world, with approximately 202.9 million identified as Muslim (88.2% of the total population) as of 2009.).

They may threaten to kill them or at best "expel" them from the family...and the "police" may support the family in this.

[Inactive]

Well, that may seem simple enough, but Indonesia has one of the largest muslim populations (Islam is the dominant religion in Indonesia, which also has a larger Muslim population than any other country in the world, with approximately 202.9 million identified as Muslim (88.2% of the total population) as of 2009.).

They may threaten to kill them or at best "expel" them from the family...and the "police" may support the family in this.

He should Dump her then.

[peterpink]

I thought you were writing from Germany. Get out of there quickly and find a civilized country to settle in.

[gdom]

Well, that may seem simple enough, but Indonesia has one of the largest muslim populations (Islam is the dominant religion in Indonesia, which also has a larger Muslim population than any other country in the world, with approximately 202.9 million identified as Muslim (88.2% of the total population) as of 2009.).

They may threaten to kill them or at best "expel" them from the family...and the "police" may support the family in this.

I cannot stress enough that you and your wife should leave immediately for your safety--and hers. The penalty for leaving the islamic faith is beheading, and, believe it or not, it is enforced in that part of the world as many of the governments are religiously based.

Seriously... fuck it, and run.

[finman]

Even if you get away with the deception, what happens if they find out later that you have a perfectly formed, full-length, normal dick and not a mutilated specimen?

If your wife to be lets on and you go back to visit the family, you may not like the welcoming committee :eek:

[soft-cover recovery agent]

Meine Meinung nach, fliehen sie ihr beide so weit Weg wie moeglich, und so bald wie moeglich. Fliehn sie sich nach Australien oder irgendwelcher Land, in dem sie sich sicher finden. Ich waere bleiben nicht. Wie words of flow sagte schon, wenn sie nicht jetzt weg machen waeren, dann haetten sie dan schon die Hoelle mit der Familie ihrer Verlobte. Leider muss ich die Leute zustimmen, die vom Flocht sprachen. Die Sache wird niemals sich verbessern, deswegen sollen sie sich weg. Es wird immer wieder ein Tema sein. Ich hoffe, dass alles bei Ihnen richtig gut geht, aber ich hoffe auch, dass Sie beide schwer an der Idee vom Flucht denken, denn scheint es mir, dass Sie beide seien im Lebensgefahr wegen eines Ehetods, wie schon vielmal in Deutschland unter manchen Tuerken passierte. Es gibt in Deutschland schon so viele Indonesier nicht, deswegen haetten Sie beide etwas bessere Lebenschancen. Ich wuerde empfehlen, dass Sie beide nach den Vereinigten Staaten oder nach Kanada kaemen, weil in diesen Laender, darf keiner eine Erwachsene zwingen einen Penis zu schneiden. Ich weiss, dass in Deutschland keiner so etwas machen darf, aber es scheint mir, dass, in den Vereinigten Staaten, weil den so viel weiter sind, waere die Fahrtskosten etwas hoeher, und wenn sie hierher umziehen wuerden, koenten Sie beide bestimmt mit den Rechten von der Freheit der Religion etwas machen. Ich glaube echt, dass Sie beide eine bessere Moeglichkeit haetten, falls Sie wieder nach Deutschland fuhren, oder besser wahrscheinlich, wenn Sie beide nach den Vereinigten Staaten flohen.

Viel Glueck dabei um eine Entscheidung zu treffen. Es scheint mir ganz total schwer, wenn man sich so einer Entscheidung zu muessen trifft.

Basically what I said was to get out of the country, and at the very least flee to Germany, and probably better to go to the U.S. due to the 1st Amendment rights of freedom of religion, or also to go to Canada. There have been cases of some Turks doing honor killings in Germany, and this is something that the Germans do their best to prevent, but there is still some danger that due to being able to get there more easily, that the family could still exact an honor killing over this. Get out of Indonesia while there is still time. Really.

[Indigo]

Im assuming the family are Muslim. If so they can not demand you be circumcised unless you are Muslim yourself or intend to become one. Any Imam can give you more detail on this and reinforce the relevant doctrine to the family.

Islam in Indonesia is very different to the middle east and still very tribal. Circumcision in tribal culture does exist still but I don't know enough about it to tell you more then that, but a families status was often reflected through the ability to afford a circumcision and the relevant ceremony/celebrations.

On another note though this is your body and I can help feeling that starting out this way is not a the best way to begin. I hope your able to find the strength to stand up to them and simply say 'no, my body, my choice'.

[broken]

So what was the outcome of all this? Did the wedding go ahead as planned?

[mwolverine8]

Why the hell are they going to be seeing your penis? That's not how we roll in america

[BamaDude]

So what was the outcome of all this? Did the wedding go ahead as planned?
That's what I've been wondering. An update from the thread starter would be much appreciated.

[Lyle Croft]

mmm if you're good at makeup make a scar on your penis. Then say you were loosely cut and the circumcision from (insert country here) differs from Indonesia

[Jupiter]

Dear forum members,

I will be married to my Indonesian fiancée later this month (I am from Germany).
Unfortunately, some members of her family insist that I be circumcised.
Neither my fiancée nor me want this.
There is no reasoning with said family members, they go into a tantrum when we even mention the possibility of making any kind of compromise.
They may even expel my fiancée from the family for that.
We can't just tell them I've had a circumcision because they will most likely verify.

That is why I am asking you, who I suppose have some know-how in the matter, if there any way to make a penis look like it has been circumcised? I suppose they wouldn't do a thorough check, just a quick look, so the disguise has to be temporary only and doesn't have to be superstable.

Thank you so much in advance for any advice

Thank you very much in advance


Fuck them. Tell them over your dead body, but not before theirs. Tell them if they keep pressuring you they will never see you again and will never set eyes upon their future grandchildren. They are cut off.