soreness aleviation....

[chairbite]

The only reason I'm interested in getting restoration is because I have heard several women say circumsized men cause them to get sore much quicker than uncircumsised men....specifically the barb of the glans on "outstrokes"
rubbing against the top of their vaginal walls.
(Even with lubrication the glans rubs too hard on alot of women.)

What I want to know is has this helped any of your women?

Thanks!
-M

[David]

The only reason I'm interested in getting restoration is because I have heard several women say uncircumsized men cause them to get sore much quicker than uncircumsised men....specifically the barb of the glans on "outstrokes"
rubbing against the top of their vaginal walls.
(Even with lubrication the glans rubs too hard on alot of women.)

What I want to know is has this helped any of your women?

Thanks!
-M

I have heard the opposite, that several women say circumcised men cause them to get sore much quicker than intact men, because there is so much friction rather than the "gliding action" that a foreskin allows. My wife says that intercourse is much more comfortable for her now that I've restored -- same stimulation without all that friction. (Better for me, too! :) )

[QBMan]

I strongly suspect that ChairBite intended 'circumcised'. This is an example of why the word 'uncircumcised' should be stricken from our vocabularies in favor of 'intact'. :)

I have heard the opposite, that several women say circumcised men cause them to get sore much quicker than intact men, because there is so much friction rather than the "gliding action" that a foreskin allows. My wife says that intercourse is much more comfortable for her now that I've restored -- same stimulation without all that friction. (Better for me, too! :) )

[Obs122808]

I've found that there are less complaints now that I'm restoring. At first there was not much change but now that I'm further along I'm finding even the lubrication doesn't seem to be a problem. I must have enough to create a good seal from air drying out the natural lubrication.

[greg_b]

My wife has found an amazing difference in her comfort since I have been restoring. To give an idea, before we needed lube several times a session. Now we do not need any.

More importantly than the lube and discomfort, she finds the feelings much better. It just feels amazingly different and better to her. This is in addition to the lube effect, the foreskin seems to add feelings for her as well as me.

Regards

[Tally]

My wife has found an amazing difference in her comfort since I have been restoring. To give an idea, before we needed lube several times a session. Now we do not need any.

More importantly than the lube and discomfort, she finds the feelings much better. It just feels amazingly different and better to her. This is in addition to the lube effect, the foreskin seems to add feelings for her as well as me.

Regards
Greg, what was your Coverage Index when your wife noticed these things? That is, how much slack skin did you have?

[greg_b]

I started out very tight, no movement when erect. Within a month or two, she was suprised at new feelings. I do not know what my stage was then, but it was only a little slack by then. Mind, you, at this point we still needed lube, but she could feel a significant difference, and she was a doubting thomas.

The need for lube gradually diminished as my skin got longer. When I reached the point where I could easily slide the skin over my glans when erect, we didn't need any lube.

I have never found the CI Index very helpful. My penis goes through too many changes during the day to have a feel for where it fits in such a static system of descriptions. But when we found that we didn't need any lube, I recall that when flaccid I was around 1/3 covered while wearing jocky style underwear, uncovered naked. I may have had some coverage naked and sitting, but not much, just over a portion of the corona, i think.

Hope this helps.

Regards

[that woman guest]

WT, thats my dh, is about a CI-5 and I no longer get that rug burn feeling. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/thatwomanguest/faces/th1_4_123.gifIt's just wonderful now.http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/thatwomanguest/faces/love0027.gif

Barb

[ctrclckws]

So having experienced some degree of cut and restored with the same man, even the woman has noticed a difference. That should give the restorers among us some expectation that the ends justify the means.


Thank you TWG.

[that woman guest]

I have personally talked to many men who are worried that if they restore, they may regret it.

I have had the same experience and you just have to go with your gut feelings, and use some common sense. I was the one that showed my hubby the way to restoring and as his skin begin to grow, I thought maybe that wasn't the way to go. I began to not feel the hardness and I was so so very used to that feeling that I thought even more skin would make me loose pleasure.

Taking a step back, I remembered that I wanted him to restore for him, not for me. I wanted him to have more feelings and pleasures. I had to have faith in what I had learned on all the message boards that women will gain pleasure as well.

"HAVE FAITH". Women do have less pain and more pleasure in time as long as your sex life is healthy from the beginning. There are adjustments to be made. I am getting it, less pain means more pleasure now. Before it took me so long to get past the pain and get to the pleasure time and now I am starting out in the pleasure time. I didn't know it was suppose to be this way.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/thatwomanguest/My%20Space%20glitters/together.png

Barb

[greg_b]

Very nice post, TWG!!

[finman]

So the medical profession mutilates the penis so it does not function properly and then require lubricants to make sex comfortable. Yes that makes sense.

[Matzi]

So the medical profession mutilates the penis so it does not function properly and then require lubricants to make sex comfortable. Yes that makes sense.
I think you meant cents.




Or dollars.



Millions of dollars.

[finman]

Matzi, that is a really clever reply and so true - I wish I had thought of it!

A number of years ago my wife, as a midwife, once looked after a baby boy whose Muslim parents had paid the consultant £300 (nearly $500) to circumcise him. Prices now start at £75 (about $120).

[slr79]

Non-surgical restoring is definitely recomended. I think to retore you have to have gone through all the stages of greif, past anger to acceptance.
Accept your body's potential (nerves) and make the most of what you've got left (restore skin length). surgery will lead to more scars and pain. Someone was refusing to restore until a foreskin replica was avaliable on another forum, but I think this might be like any other sensory organ. If a baby is deprived of sight from birth (congenital cataracts) and you don't do the surgery early enough, they will never see because their brain doesn't develp to interperet the information during a critical period. With ear Cochlear implants, they have to wire it directly into the brain and it's not the same as hearing.

Before my first intact experience, I thought something was wrong with me. I only climaxed during intercourse with one ex, and it wasn't a good one it was painful. I'm guessing this might be a bit of what guys experience from the other end with the lack of sensitivity scars and stump neuromas, it has to hurt to work? It always hurt afterwards and let me not wanting to go there for at least a few days, over a week with one ex where I tore every time. I didn't know why, I thought there was something wrong with me. The friend who first told me about the functions of the foreskin felt the same way. I've had two intact, and can't go back. I wouldn't consider a relationship with someone who wasn't intact/restoring/willing to restore because it just doesn't work for me.

Did any of you guys who were circ'd at birth feel like there was something wrong, that sex didn't meet your expectation? Or was it just your normal? I think you can miss something you've never had, I did and I'm not even attached to it. I suspect that some guys have a gut feeling even if they are not yet informed.

From what I've read and experienced, this mutilation is responsible for most if perhaps not all of female sexual dysfunction. Maybe it's part of why most women "can't achieve vaginal orgasm". Good, satisfying sex is important to establish and maintain the pair bond between a married couple, this is also contributing to increased divorce rates.

Some women can't tell the difference, and it's different with every guy, but those of us with high body awareness can really tell.

[Tally]

Did any of you guys who were circ'd at birth feel like there was something wrong, that sex didn't meet your expectation? Or was it just your normal? I think you can miss something you've never had, I did and I'm not even attached to it. I suspect that some guys have a gut feeling even if they are not yet informed.

From what I've read and experienced, this mutilation is responsible for most if perhaps not all of female sexual dysfunction. Maybe it's part of why most women "can't achieve vaginal orgasm". Good, satisfying sex is important to establish and maintain the pair bond between a married couple, this is also contributing to increased divorce rates.
Interesting question and observations. I never missed my foreskin, which has been missing since birth. As a young man, my equipment seemed to work just fine, but I had nothing to compare it to. Ignorance is bliss? :confused:

But as I aged, my penis stopped working normally. After I hit 40, there were subtle changes. They occurred gradually and I only noticed them when the changes became significant. For example, erections were not as frequent and did not last as long. I needed more than just physical stimulation to get hard. It took me forever to ejaculate, and I really had to work at it. Sex was less enjoyable than it was as a young man.

I am in fair shape - I work out and take very good care of my body. So, why would my penis be getting worse? I saw many ads for erectile dysfunction aids. They remind me of penis extension aids and seem to be selling something by playing on fears and insecurities of men. I knew there was something wrong and I did not believe that it was just a normal part of aging. But I had no information as to why only this part of my body slowly stopped working.

With this background, once I discovered foreskin restoration and learned about the consequences of not having a foreskin, it took me no time to realize that I needed to restore.

I think that, not only is RIC responsible for female sexual dysfunction, it is also responsible for male sexual dysfunction, including ED. As I restore my foreskin, I hope to reverse my ED and restore myself to a natural physical state.

[greg_b]

Did any of you guys who were circ'd at birth feel like there was something wrong, that sex didn't meet your expectation? Or was it just your normal? ....

... Some women can't tell the difference, and it's different with every guy, but those of us with high body awareness can really tell.

Interesting question. I was circ'd at birth. Never really thought about it, except once when I saw my best friends penis, which was normal. In college I learned more about foreskins, but only that they were normal. Great book called "The Unfashionable Human Body".

Curiously, when we had our first son, I was dead set against circumcision. Couldn't really say why, just didn't feel it should be done unless there was some really good reason to do it, and I could not find anything that didn't reek of illogical fear and propoganda supporting it. I even had to argue with the doctor at delivery. He apparently had his own fears about foreskin.

But still and all, it was more a leave a normal body and baby alone, rather than me feeling I was missing anything. And sex was fantastic. I could not get enough of it. Masturbated at least once a day, felt fantastic.

Then, one day, while stuck at home recovering from surgery, I just for a lark got curious and searched for foreskin restoration information. I remember expecting to find surgery possible to recover your normal look, but before I even searched thinking that would not be worth it. But in addition to finding out that some surgeons did this, I found lots of information on non-surgical restoration. More importantly, I found info on how a foreskin functions, and how it affects sexual feelings.

I couldn't stop reading, and after several hours of research, I sat my wife down and explained what I had learned and told her I was going to try it out. OK, sorry for the long intro, but wanted you to see that I did not feel anything was missing, at least consciously.

But waht I did find out as I restored, was that masturbation was so easy with some moving skin. And I realized that masturbation had been becoming harder and harder over time without me realizing it. Like when you get a puppy. Friends come over and say how much it has grown, but you don't notice, becuase the change is so gradual and you see it every day.

As I got further along, and reached the "gliding motion" point, I started getting new feelings. Feelings that I had never had before. Whole body feelings. I will also add that my wife noticed the difference right away ( a month or so) too, and she was a doubting thomas.

So, yes it was just my normal. But that was only because 1) I was losing the sensations and just thought I was getting older, and it was too slow to notice, and 2) without a foreskin, you are missing some feelings. Just cannot feel them. Like watching B&W TV, you simply cannot see the colors. My wife and I now know what we were missing, but we had no idea before.

Regards

[finman]

My story is somewhat similar with similar changes on hitting the 40s, although maybe not quite so bad and ED was never a problem. I found out about restoring and started before the situation worsened.

Incidentally I have tried viagra 'just to see'. As I do not have ED it is really great (although I will probably get another reprimand for saying this), you can have an erection almost at will. At the right moment I was with my wife and with no effort whatsoever it just happened like magic when I wanted it to. Maybe this was because it was my first time with the drug, I do not know. However I would not want to use it regularly (or even again) in case I became dependant on it or the effect lessened. After using it once there seems to be no after-effects.

However I was told that I may get cold in the night after using it as the duvet would no longer closely cover me (this last line is a joke!).

[slr79]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m27rT7OcYn4

Rogerio should have replaced his partner. Disturbing. I would like to see some follow-up on what his sex life is like now.

[Tally]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m27rT7OcYn4

Rogerio should have replaced his partner. Disturbing. I would like to see some follow-up on what his sex life is like now.
OMG! :eek: I couldn't watch the whole thing. At least he was a consenting adult.

[finman]

He must be MAD to have that surgery - the risk of anything going wrong must be very high. As you say maybe ok now but what happens as he gets older?

Also the casual way they throw in the circumcision at 4.06 minutes, even stating the sensory loss that will produce. Lunacy.

[finman]

There are video clips to see shown on the right of Philippine circumcision - it all looks rather casual and unhygienic - well you have to see it to believe it (called Tule or Tuli).

[slr79]

I do not believe that his doctor fully informed him of the risks. This procedure is not recommended due to the high risk of impotence. I think it's pretty much inevitable long term.

When I looked up the term, I was shocked to discover a more severe form of penile neurotomy (completely severing dorsal nerves) was performed on "retarded" teens to prevent them from masturbating in Ontario in the 1950's and 60's obviously without consent.

Consent must be fully informed, but when everyone is in denial about the risks and consequences and the doctor's biased to get his fee for the procedure, will you ever get the full picture before signing the paper?

Parents who mistakenly chose RIC aren't fully and correctly informed by their doctors or they wouldn't do it. I don't think the 20 year olds who were convinced that circumcision was necessary for their UTIs were properly informed either.

I only do nail surgeries, but I tell people where they can find more information for themselves outside of what I provide, and even watch it on Youtube if they have the stomach for it.

[Quark]

Rogerio should have replaced his partner. Disturbing.

Absolutely!

Rogerio clearly is a weak man (personallity wise) if he has to resort to such drastic measures to remain married to her. The first sentence out of her mouth is such a put down to his self-esteem. If she is like that, I have to wonder in what other ways she manipulates and puts him down. Maybe he ejaculates so quickly so it's over and done with and he can get the helll away from her. lol :D

If I hadn't had seen them for myself, I'd say that he needs to grow some balls and tell her to **** the hell off!

I'm sorry if that's harsh, but I can't stand people being dominated like that. surely there is some numbing cream or something that could be used,

[greg_b]

Fascinating surgery to watch, but he is either misinformed or crazy to have it done in my opinion.

I am amazed that the doctor would go ahead with the circ. It would be far more reasonable to limit the first surgery to just the nerves, then wait and see how it goes for a year or so. He could always do the circ later if it seemed necessary. But then that would be conservative, risk averse, and logical. Those ideas are probably not part of the doctor's way of thinking.

Amazing, makes me wonder about their culture though, there are so many other things they could have tried....I have to wonder if they tried any of them.

<shakes his head in wonder>

[finman]

I only do nail surgeries, but I tell people where they can find more information for themselves outside of what I provide, and even watch it on Youtube if they have the stomach for it.

Sarah, are nail surgeries like marriage counselling?

For the UK definition of 'nail' see below:

http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/n.htm

[slr79]

I'm not allowed to address that kind of 'nail'. Funny though. This thread has gotten so of topic b/c of me... sorry!

I see how many people need therapy, and am considering taking the Masters of Psychology Counselling. I'd probably end up specialize in marital dysfunction and have a better platform to promote intactness and restoring.

Nail surgery is a treatment for chronic ingrown toenails, I freeze the toe, and either take of the outer edge or the whole nail, treat it with chemical so it doesn't re-grow.

This experience is what makes me more adamate about stopping circs and premature retraction, and that's only the first step of the so-called procedure. It is much worse than lifting off a nail without anesthetic. Lifting off nails and shoving stuff under them is a common torture technique. Then add on cutting, no adult would ever consent to have a excisional biopsy without freezing, even if medically necessary. When will we pull our heads out of the sand??

We don't give people pamphlets about child abuse and say "this might make you change your mind about beating your children", we lock them up.

[finman]

Oh Sarah, you are so sweet not to get cross at me for teasing you over your valuable job. The wording of your posting made it so tempting, though!

You are so strong in your beliefs, but please do not be put off when you do not get instant success. You are battling against prejudice, ignorance and greed, and they are very difficult foes. Remember, if you save one boy that will be wonderful for him, and he will be grateful for the rest of his life. Keep on fighting and at least there will be some victories.

[greg_b]

My goal is to simply make the place I live, work and play a little better than it was. If I can do that, I feel I have done well.

Education is like tossing seeds around. Some will take root, some won't. Shrug.

[finman]

Rogerio there is now a nasal spray for PE

http://www.fastnasaldelivery.com/adwords.html

Oh dear, we have just stripped the nerves from your penis and circumcised you

[that woman guest]

Silly finman, borrowing from me. You are getting good bud.:)

twg

[greg_b]

ANNOUNCEMENT
10/28/08 My daughter has a massive brain stem bleed this morning. She has been put into a comatose state till she is not critical anymore.

TWG IS VERY TIRED. DAUGHTER IS A LITTLE STABLE TODAY. DOC SAYS NOTHING TO BE DONE TO HELP HER. WE KNEW THAT FOR 20 YEARS NOW BUT D DAY IS COMING SOON WE FEAR.WILL BE TAKEN OFF BREATHING MACHINE TOMORROW THEN WE WILL SEE HOW SHE DOES.


Hang in there TWG, I will keep you all in my thoughts.

Best wishes

[finman]

TWG, please keep us informed how things are with your daughter.

[Americut]

Theres some great info in this thread, and the kind i've been looking for. A big part of the reason i decided to start restoring was that when my partner and I had sex with no condom, she was too sore to do it again for about 30 hours. This really frustrated me because I dont want to be the reason for that!!! At first she thought it was her fault for not enduring the pain, like she thought she was supposed to. I told her "NO, its the lack of foreskin". After that, i researched for days (which turned into weeks). There was no real rush because for her job, shes here for a month and then gone for a few. So i had some time. After i learned, i taught her about foreskin and about restoring it. I told her I'm going to restore mine, and she approved right away.

Now that im restoring, i dont really talk about it much. But i did tell her I joined a forum (this one :p) and that there are some insightful people here. So, sort of as a reminder and to keep her optimism up, i showed her the whole post from slr79 (only shortened here, to not waste space):


Before my first intact experience........ work for me.

From what I've read.......... divorce rates.

Some women.......... tell.

That was great for me to read too, because it brings justification to the fact that a great part of why im doing this, is for her. As far as restoring goes, i am for once not so bothered by the distance intervals in our relationship, because rather than the slow/gradual changes that i will see on a day-to-day basis, shes going to experience those changes in a much more apparent way. And by that i mean in 2-3 month periods. Should be pretty exciting. "Look what i've got for yah this time." :cool: