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redwolfbear
October 10th, 2011, 21:55
as guys go i have always been the strong willed type by my personel nature

to be honest when i find myself deciing a matter in my personel life in which said matter is of a entirely personel nature concerning my person and only my person

i got nothing wrong with accepting positive helpful advice from a family relative or even constructive criticism so long as it is of a helpful and positive naturefor that matter as i think a matter over in my deciding the matter for myself over a days time.


question

when it comes to the whole matter of male circumcision/mgm where the
christian religion and customs and traditions and beliefs of ones parents and family are concerned on the matter

where exactly does a persons parents get off feeling they have some kind of god given right to make their son live their life as the black sheep relative in the family simply becuase that person from a young age refuses to give up their free will in their parents desire to force their christian religion on thier son?

jsut because they disaprove of his decision on the matter at a young age does not mean it somehow gives them the right to rob him of the ability to choose for himself in makng his own choice on the matter as a self informed person.



simply becuase the son makes his own decision on the matter with his parents disaproval on the matter does not in and of itself mean that he is being disrespectful of their persons.

it simply means that the son is unwilling to give up his free will on the matter where his ability to make his own choice on the matter is concerned

way i see it a person can be entirely respectful of his parents persons over the matter and still make their own decision on that matter while rejecting the will of the their parents on the matter where the parents disaproval of their sons decision on the matter is concerned

as they say respect is a 2 way street.

way i see it each person as a living being has free will to their person regardless of their age or lack of age for that matter. despie what ones famileis society and government would have to say on the matter and have that young person belive on the matter otherwise

to be entirely brutally hoenst my mother was a absolute bitch over the matter
who was hellbent in her desire to make me beleive i had no chocie but to give up my free will over the matter of religion she did her damndest when i was a young child to make me believe that i had no right to choose for myself or to make my own decision o n the matter or to have any choice at all in the matter.

i gues nobody ever told her that free will is free for a resaon that no person can take away our free will unless we are willing to give it up of our own person by our own personel choice and will.

as black sheep relative in my parents families go i happen to be the one because i reejct my parents christian religion. in large part due to my being circumcsed at the time i was born . for some reason my parents wanted to keep me entirely ignorent on the matter over all these years till i eventually figured out at the age of 27 what it was exaclty i had been robbed of over the matter.


what i dont understnad is why i have to be the bad guy on the matter

is it because i confronted them for answeres over the matter?

is it because i refuse to let my parents and some sick minded shit head doctor decide the matter for me in a permanent fashion?

is it because i am every bit as equally hellbent in my desire to make my own decision on the matter of male circumcision as my parents and their families ever were in thiers to robe me irriversibly of the ability to choose for myself on the matter asa living person?

is it because i reject the christian religion beliefs, customs, traditions, and general shared opinion of their society government my parents and families over the matter?


or is it because i reject the collective will of my parents and their families where my having a non judgemental open mind and my being unwilling to give up my
free will is concerned?

Science Monk
October 16th, 2011, 16:01
From the sentiments expressed in your post, I think you might benefit from being aware of the work of Darrel Ray.

Darrel W. Ray, Ed.D. is an Organizational Psychologist
who is best known as author of the book:
"The God Virus: How religion infects our lives and culture." (I have not read it.)
http://www.amazon.com/God-Virus-religion-infects-culture/dp/0970950519

More importantly for you, Darrel Ray also started a nationwide support group called Recovering Religionists for those leaving their religious indoctrination. Darrel Ray was raised in Kansas by Christian fundamentalist parents who eventually became missionaries. His life was steeped in religion, but he decided as an adult to abandon it, and thinks he is much better off.
http://www.recoveringreligionists.com/

As a part of his academic work, Darrel Ray and Amanda Brown (one of his students) authored a report of an online survey entitled, "Sex and Secularism: What Happens When You Leave Religion?" The study found that Jehovah's Witnesses and Pentecostalists feel the most guilt about sex, and that Unitarian-Universalists report experiencing the least guilt of mainline U.S. religions (Surprising to many people: Mormons and Roman Catholics were not among the most guilt-ridden of denominations, falling somewhere in the middle).

The CONCLUSION of the "Sex and Secularism" study was that self-reported sexual satisfaction increases after people leave the religions that made them feel guilty about sexuality.

I was invited to attend one of Darrel Ray's book tour presentations of "Sex and Secularsim" while staffing the NOCIRC booth at the Ann Arbor Street Art Fair in July 2011, The event was sponsors by the Michigan Atheists. Thoy had a booth nearby at the Art Fair. I attended the book tour presentation, was edified, and it was good meet some free-thinking new people. It's just another way that becoming an activist has expanded my horizons.

David
World As Monkey Island

admin
October 16th, 2011, 22:02
I don't know about black sheep, but I do know being an intactivist has cost me plenty of social opportunities and hurt relationships with relatives. Because I'm willing to go on record in the media I pretty much can't hide the fact of my intactivism from neighbors, relatives, the PTA, the womens auxialliary, the band parents club, etc. I suppose it hurts my kids somewhat for us to be known as the family with the crazy obsession with penises.

But by the same token, most people piss away a large chunk of their free time doing stuff with relatives they didn't (and never would) choose. My kids and I can focus on building/maintaining relationships with people who actually have the heart to see why someone could have a concern for the basic human rights of infants without it necessarily being motivated by secret nazi leanings.

-Ron