Forced Erect Coverage

[admin]

There are lots of ways to declare your restoration a success, but I think the most dependable way to know you're making progress is to measure Forced Erect Coverage. I'm sure I didn't invent this idea, but here is a mathematical approach which I believe to be my own innovation.

Forced Erect Coverage

An indication of how much slack skin is present. It's just the percentage of your glans length that you can force skin over while you're erect. To measure, get erect and force the shaft skin away from your body, toward your glans. FORCE the skin over the glans (but not to the point of causing pain). Measure the length of glans that is still showing on top (from the tip back to where the skin rolls under). Then let the skin roll off the glans and measure the length of the whole glans on top.

FEC = (1 - (glans showing/whole glans))

The number is a percent. For example, with 1" of glans showing, and 1.5" for the length of the whole glans,
FEC = (1-(1 / 1.5)) = (1 - 2/3) = 1/3 = 33.3%

If you can't force the skin to reach the glans then FEC result will be negative. For example, with skin forced forward but falling 0.1" short of reaching the glans, and 1.5" for the length of the whole glans, the glans showing is 1.5 + .1 = 1.6 and
FEC = (1-(1.6 / 1.5)) = 1 - (16/15) = -1/15 = -6.7%

Once it's possible to cover more than the whole glans, the number includes the distance past the glans as "negative" glans showing. You may need a pencil or other slender tool to sound the distance from the end of the bunched-up skin to the tip of the glans. For example, with skin forced 0.5" past the glans, and 1.5" for the length of the whole glans,
FEC = (1 - (-0.5 / 1.5)) = 1 - (-1/3) = 1+1/3 = 133.3%

A typical foreskin restorer can add at least 1 mm per month to the amount of glans that can be forcefully covered with skin while erect. Lots of guys progress faster - the 2010 controlled trial participants averaged 3mm of improvement per month while tugging 11 hours per day. If you're just starting out, take your before pictures and measure FEC, but wait until you have been using a consistent regimen for a week before taking your official baseline FEC measurement which you will compare to your monthly readings.
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So let's do some real-world cases:

Here's a glans that measures 39mm


With the skin forced up while erect there are 14mm of glans showing


So the forced erect coverage is (1 - 14/39) = 64.1%
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In another example, say the same man's skin can instead be forced PAST the tip. A blunt tool can be used to sound the depth within the skin tube until the tip of the glans is touched (of course be careful nothing enters the urethra).


The tool is withdrawn and the distance from the observed coverage point to the end is measured at 24mm


so the FEC is (1 - (-24/39)) = 161.5%.

Note that in the above photos, the hand forcing the skin is positioned to allow an example measurement to be photographed. In practice that hand would be gripping closer to the end of the skin tube.

On the matter of accuracy and consistency of measurement, the tricky parts about FEC are being FULLY erect and forcing skin AS FAR AS it will go without causing pain. The pain thing is for each individual to gauge. As for full erection, if you repeat the measurement a few times in the span of a couple minutes, the largest glans length you get would correspond to the fullest erection. The largest "glans showing" number that you get while rolling skin up would also correspond to the fullest erection (assuming you're forcing your skin equally as hard each time) so use the largest numbers you would record on a certain day in all cases.

To re-iterate, I suggest you FORCE the skin over the glans with no regard at all to where the skin came from or how hairy it is, because this technique of tugging just short of the point of causing pain is the way to get a reproducible measurement.

Cheers,
-Ron Low

[jeff71913]

I dunno, Ron. That's kinda tricky. Are you talking about forcing the skin over the glans as you show in your pic, or by pinching the POE and pulling it over. This makes a pretty big difference for me. I can easily pull the skin all the way over my glans while erect, but, it also pulls the scrotal web along with it, which is rather disappointing. Also, as soon as I release the tension the skin snaps right back behind the glans. Of course, it doesn't make a snapping sound or anything like that.
My glans is almost exactly 35mm. This would take approximately 3 years to fully cover the glans, however, it looks like to me like I will have a problem with the skin retracting back when erect. When my roomie is erect he can just pull the skin over his glans and it just stays there until he retracts it. It's really confusing to me. At least I have reached the point that I usually have to retract the skin to urinate.

jeffrey

[admin]

Originally Posted by jeff71913

Are you talking about forcing the skin over the glans as you show in your pic

Yeah, my idea is to force the skin to cover as much glans as possible without pain while fully erect. If you tried 3 times over the course of a minute, the largest amount of glans showing would be the number to record, since it probably corresponds to the fullest erection.

Originally Posted by jeff71913

Also, as soon as I release the tension the skin snaps right back behind the glans

This is just a way to measure progress. It does not reflect "hands-free" erect coverage. It is relevant to intimacy, though, because manually slinking the skin over the glans is one of the things most cut men can't do and we would want to do.

Originally Posted by jeff71913

My glans is almost exactly 35mm. This would take approximately 3 years to fully cover

Sure, and to get reliable flaccid coverage we may find that we need FEC that goes 1 or 2 inches past the tip. I'm sure the flaccid/erect length ratio varies a lot from person to person.

Originally Posted by jeff71913

When my roomie is erect he can just pull the skin over his glans and it just stays there until he retracts it.

He's intact? He's got different types of skin than we are regrowing.

Cheers,
-Ron

[jeff71913]

Ok. Now I see what you are talking about. Yes, everyone will be a little different. If the penis increases greatly in girth during erection, this will have an effect on FEC too, since the structures of the penis will occupy volume, thereby, taking up slack in the skin.
Think about this a bit. My roomie is intact. He can pull his foreskin over his glans while erect and it will stay in place, but, I have tried to pull his skin a little farther and it will only stretch about 1 cm past the tip of his glans while erect. Strange thing is, when I'm erect I can easily pull my skin as far, or farther past the tip of my glans as he can. It's crazy! In other words, he can do this, but, he doesn't have much stretch beyond that point. I can do it too, but, mine won't stay.
BTW, he told me last night that he thinks the only reason that I wanted him as a room mate is that it would allow me to study his foreskin. Of course, that isn't the case, but, it sure does come in handy
P.S.
His foreskin does feel very different from what I have. His has a very silky quality about it. However, as my skin continues to expand it is slowly acquiring some of those same qualities. It seems to be getting thinner and more supple.

jeffrey

[KOTFrank]

As Ron said restoration comes from a different type of skin as to why yours doesn't stay covering your erect penis. To exactly understand this - the dartos muscle in the external skin runs more lengthwise to the penis at the shaft but from the glans forward the dartos muscle gradually increases density and positioning transversely until it is very transverse and most dense at the foreskin tip, the preputial opening. All this transverse type of dartos gets cut off so we can not grow by duplicating this skin that is not there. The potential gripping power/closure over glans correlates to scrotum tightness because all men are different in thickness of dartos throughout the genitals. Tighter scrotum, tighter glans fitting. In restoration, by doubling under the shaft skin at the tip gives double the amount of tightness that would otherwise be if the shaft skin ended at the the tip. The more under-turned skin the more glans tightness. There's also surgical tightening a preputial opening, but the restored foreskin will adjust fit to the glans and also thin out over time like post pregnancy. BTW-as a boy grows, their foreskin is constantly changing positional shape to accommodate the faster growing penile shaft, so many times causing him to miss the toilet.

[seahorses]

If I may say, I think this formula/process needs a bit more clarification or defining; well, for me it does (me Neanderthal). I find, depending on how and where on the shaft I grip, I get a different reading from ¼" below to 1/8" above? Also gripping further down the shat meets with greater resistance. Although I’m a little confuse, the upside is I’m enjoying the analysis; I mean, why let a good erection go to waste

[admin]

Originally Posted by seahorses

I find, depending on how and where on the shaft I grip, I get a different reading from ¼" below to 1/8" above? Also gripping further down the shat meets with greater resistance.

I don't care how you measure, as long as you do it the same way every month, to guage progress.

I say FORCE the skin to cover as much glans as possible, without pain, while fully erect. If you tried 3 times over the course of a minute, the largest amount of glans showing would be the number to record, since it probably corresponds to the fullest erection.

-Ron

[jeff71913]

I think I understand how this works, but, I don't see how this could be accurate enough without a scale. of sorts, in order to determine exactly how much tension one is pulling with. In a previous post (different thread) I suggested that a small scale be attached to some type of device at the exact same point of the skin every time. Then an accurate assessment could be made. A device similar to the TLC tugger could be used. It might help if the device was transparent. Also the shape of the device might might be an issue. This reminds me of TDC (top dead center) and BDC (botton dead center) concerning the position of a piston in a engine cylinder. I do think this is the most accurate way to determine one's progress. I just think it needs to be tweaked a bit to provide the most accurate results possible. In this way we eliminate those perplexing factors that may produce an inaccurate assessment.

jeffrey

[adamrestored]

I can push as much skin over my glans as I want, but it all comes from my scrotum. If I place a hand over that, though... I can only roll about 15mm over when fully erect.

I think this is worth noting, I emailed ron.

Originally Posted by jeff71913

I don't see how this could be accurate enough without a scale of sorts, in order to determine exactly how much tension one is pulling with. ... I suggested that a small scale be attached to some type of device at the exact same point of the skin every time. Then an accurate assessment could be made.
jeffrey

I agree with Jeffrey. And a consistent, exageration-proof, way to measure penis length would be a further benefit to the men of the world, at least insofar as their own happiness depends on comparison with others.

I came to the conclusion that erect coverage was the best way for me to guage my progress back in 2000, just before I quit tugging to get on with my life.

A reliable indicator of progress is what the restoring man needs. Erect coverage is a far better measure than soft coverage, when the glans is easily pushed backwards.

If he uses this measure and applies the method consistently over time, a restoring man will have an index of his progress that can't be gainsaid by anyone else, even if there may be factors that make cross-comparison problematic.

A man's own satisaction with his restoration progress is all he cares about. And like me, he wants to know he isn't deceiving himself, stretching skin but finding little real progress.