another one gets away, but still a bright side

[alastroke]

last week my girlfriends sister had her baby boy. my girlfriend and i had discussed circumcision and i had educated her on the problems which she was completely unaware of like many people. well she told me over the weekend that her sister and brother in law had an argument over the procedure and unfortunatly he was cut.

the bright side of this is that her sister is a neonatal icu nurse and opposed the circ, not on moral or human rights grounds, but at least as a medical professional who has been taught that it is almost never a needed procedure and a sensless painful ordeal. this gives me some hope that the medical profession is slowly turning to common sense instead of habbit.

the reason she gave in is that they also have an adopted son one year older and he was cut and her husband is so {#$@!$$} his argument was that he should be like his brother and father. the brother argument is not a viable excuse, but could be understandable for someone who doesn't completely understand the damage done, but the looks of the father argument is definitely out of the line of reason. maybe i was sheltered but i dont ever recall seeing my dads penis long enough to notice!!

[fics]

disagree with you - TOTALLY not understandable. that this lady, opposing circ, gave into it - cant understand something like this.

sometimes i dont understand you folks over there - but i have read more stories like this on different sites.
no offense.

[Them Boots]

I have NEVER understood the whole "make him look like his dad or someone else" argument. Ok, let's REALLY make him look like his dad. Give him a pot belly, wrinkles, bald head, false teeth, and all the rest, and make sure you do it right away "so that he doesn't remember it."

[alastroke]

Originally Posted by fics

disagree with you - TOTALLY not understandable. that this lady, opposing circ, gave into it - cant understand something like this.

sometimes i dont understand you folks over there - but i have read more stories like this on different sites.
no offense.

no offense taken, however in this country which has been aclimated to thinking cirumcision is right for a number of reasons and has felt this way for over one hundred years its quite a step to get the medical profession and the public at large to see it as an unnecesary opperation. through campaigning for intactivism we slowly win over the pro circ folks to at least understanding why we want to end this and educate those who are indifferent to the practice to get them to conciously chose against cutting.

there is not an excuse for it, but in the context of the issue in the U.S. it is, in my eyes, understandable for folks to be misled or indifferent, not right, but understandable.

[fics]

still NOT to understand.
i dont want to get too much political-but is the us not always claiming to be the first country in the world with the best thinking people?
i have seen pict. on the net from newborns just being circed; then pics of penises of adults with major defects due to the surgery. myself being a nurse and a research coordinator now just cant imagine how a physician can do this surgery on such a small dick safely. skin still sticks to the glans!! how he can perform a nice cut and so on.

sorry guys - i dont really understand. its different if someone decides on his own, like stupid me.
just for your information: if there is no serious medical reason no health insurance in Germany will pay - i payed myself.

[gdom]

Originally Posted by fics

sorry guys - i dont really understand. its different if someone decides on his own, like stupid me.

We don't understand either... that's why we're here.

[ctrclckws]

Follow the MONEY.
There are economic benifits to doctors for the surgery, that why they do it.

If it were considered a cosmetic surgery operation, then most likely, it wouldn't be paid for by insurance and the number of operations will go down.
That's the only thing I think I might like about a government healthcare program.

[greg_b]

From my perspective, that argument, that he should be RIC because the father is and/or other siblings are, is totally illogical and against all the morale and legal guidelines we have in this country and most of the world.

The only reason it is compelling is because of subtle and not so subtle fear mongering tactics used by our society. The fear prevents people from looking at the decision thoughtfully and weighing the costs against the benefits. Instead they let the fear overwhelm thier decison making process. Fear is a powerful ally for those who want to push circumcsion.

Regards