Sex-Change Surgery forced on Infants?!

[Saracen_restorer]

Originally Posted by Tug of War

I think the scary thought to these people is that there is no clear dividing line between male and female. Intersex kids prove this. I saw a special on I think HBO or maybe discovery health about this. One "woman", who had a vagina and fully developed penis, was forced to have the penis removed as an adolescent. She knew what she had and thought it was great that she was unique and had the best of both worlds. Another one had no vaginal opening but got great pleasure when the area became wet. The "reconstructive" surgery left her with a big, painful open sore and no feeling. Like circumcision, these surgeries are done for the parent's hang ups and the child's healthy sexual functioning is an afterthought

I get so angry that modern medicine can so many great advances, but when it comes to sex organs and sexuality, modern medicine is still caught in the mid-nineteeth century. Why does the Hippocratic oath not apply to sex organs, especially in the USA?

The hippocratic oath seems to be ignored in a lot of cases. Mention cancer, and suddenly its fine to lop off nearly anything and everything, whether it is affected or not. This is pre-Victorian practice, for ****s sake.

Going back to the intersex issue: genuine hermaphrodites (with two sets of genitals) seem to be quite rare, but what I've seen more commonly to be problematic is narrow ranges of "acceptable" genital shapes and sizes. Like you say in one of your examples, an otherwise female individual who also happened to gestate with a penis. Does no harm, in fact I'd say it was the reverse - I wonder if males felt threatened by it though...

[admin]

Originally Posted by Saracen_restorer

genuine hermaphrodites (with two sets of genitals) seem to be quite rare

Here's how rare: multiply the probabilty of having a visually intersex condition (something between one in 500 and one in 2000 depending on how intersex is defined) times the probabilty of having a conjoined twin situation.

I think the only way someone can literally have both types of genitals is if one partially divided twin undergoes some sort of hormonal stressor that the other does not. Otherwise, since all genitals start from the same female tissue until 3 months gestation, you can see situations along the spectrum between male-ized and the default female state, but never for example with both a clitoris and a penis.

[Saracen_restorer]

Originally Posted by admin

Here's how rare: multiply the probabilty of having a visually intersex condition (something between one in 500 and one in 2000 depending on how intersex is defined) times the probabilty of having a conjoined twin situation.

I think the only way someone can literally have both types of genitals is if one partially divided twin undergoes some sort of hormonal stressor that the other does not. Otherwise, since all genitals are female until 3 months gestation, you can see situations along the spectrum between male-ized and the default female state, but never for example with both a clitoris and a penis.

I've seen just the one case so far, but then I'm about half your age so it stands to reason I'm not that experienced with these issues.

[Laatlanta]

I'm wondering if the female South African runner might be the result of a baby boy who had a botched circumcision and was then made into a girl right after birth.

I've ready two reports, the first says she has both sex organs, the other is not yet confirmed but it says she has no ovaries and no womb. She does not look anything like a female in features, body shape, and muscular structure.

In an odd way, I'm hoping to be correct because it would take a world-wide, high profile athlete and focus all of the issues surrounding this "controversy" of a male competing as a female, and focus it back on the horrors of circumcision on little boys. The compassionate side of me is wishing this isn't the case and that she can continue to be a woman and compete. I think we'll know in the next couple of days...

[Yunus]

Originally Posted by Laatlanta

I'm wondering if the female South African runner might be the result of a baby boy who had a botched circumcision and was then made into a girl right after birth.

I've ready two reports, the first says she has both sex organs, the other is not yet confirmed but it says she has no ovaries and no womb. She does not look anything like a female in features, body shape, and muscular structure.

In an odd way, I'm hoping to be correct because it would take a world-wide, high profile athlete and focus all of the issues surrounding this "controversy" of a male competing as a female, and focus it back on the horrors of circumcision on little boys. The compassionate side of me is wishing this isn't the case and that she can continue to be a woman and compete. I think we'll know in the next couple of days...

As what I know,the cutting of the penis glans is the one of several risks of circumcision.If the penis glans was cut too excessive,so the male victim must do a "sex-change" operation.This risk is very common in circumcision.I often heard in news about this incident in Indonesia (my country).
I think that female who you speak about is a victim of excessive penis cutting.

[Bashar]

the day will come when circumcision is exposed for what it really is and all circumcision doctors will be the laughing stock of the world.

and all i want is to live to see the day that happens

[Yunus]

Originally Posted by Bashar

the day will come when circumcision is exposed for what it really is and all circumcision doctors will be the laughing stock of the world.

and all i want is to live to see the day that happens

I will struggle to realize that day.
That day won't be realized without our struggle.

[random1]

Originally Posted by ss748

there was another case i saw on TV, a "boy" had been born looking like a boy but for some reasons the doctors said he was a girl (I don't remember why). The mom dressed him up in a tuxedo when they left to make a point, but the doctor later recommended a biopsy on the testicle to make sure it wasn't cancerous, they then said it was and removed it. the mom later requested the biopsy findings and found it was normal

they won a lawsuit but now the boy of course can no longer have kids and such. shameful what doctors will do because some have a god complex. too often the considerations are "can we" and not "should we" in these types of cases

That... that there just makes my blood boil.

It's just sad how many heartless, disrespectful, idiotic, and bias medical 'professionals' we have as doctors. You gotta be careful with doctors, if you don't agree with them - then you are ABSOL-BLOODY-LUTELY RIGHT!

Being independent is also key. Pieces of trash doctors should go to jail and the medical place should revoke his license for the rest of his life, but as far as we know, America isn't a democracy. It's a corporatocy

[madbr3991]

Originally Posted by ss748

there was another case i saw on TV, a "boy" had been born looking like a boy but for some reasons the doctors said he was a girl (I don't remember why). The mom dressed him up in a tuxedo when they left to make a point, but the doctor later recommended a biopsy on the testicle to make sure it wasn't cancerous, they then said it was and removed it. the mom later requested the biopsy findings and found it was normal

they won a lawsuit but now the boy of course can no longer have kids and such. shameful what doctors will do because some have a god complex. too often the considerations are "can we" and not "should we" in these types of cases

i remember seeing that on tv years ago it. stuff like this is truly horrible. this kid won't be able to have children. and most likely will have little to no sexual sensation

[airpud]

Circumcision is a partial sex-change surgery. Like it or not, it's quite literally what it is.