My girlfriend thinks I talk about restoring too much

[roostorf]

This got me thinking so I started another thread

http://foreskin-restoration.net/foru...3566#post83566

I know this is a private owned website, but also feel like its a community, Ron has unltimate say, but your guys posts are still up and neither one of you is banned so maybe he feels you both are entitled to your opinions. I was just like that the moderators seem to be pretty tolerant on letting people say what they want on here, because I live in america where too many of our basic freedoms have been getting taken away over the past few decades, and I hate seeing the the internet, one of the last safe havens for people to say what they want and do what they want get controlled the same way. After all if you say he cant say that because its wrong (I also agree racism is wrong) then when something you believe is deemed wrong by someone else you might not have the right to say it anymore.

[roostorf]

LOL, topic officially derailed.

No big deal, it wasnt a serious topic or anything anyways

I respect your beliefs, but dont feel the same way. I think too many people have been willing to give up their freedoms for the greater good, and want to keep the few freedoms we have left. At least your willing to flat out admit thats what your doing instead of the thousands to mindless sheep who are unkowingly having their rights taken from them.

I just think people should have the right to say whatever they want but as soon as it goes from words to harmful acts on other people intervention is needed. I want everybody to have their own opinion, your opinion is valued as well, I just think when you force your opinion on others there becomes a problem, I mean isnt that pretty much what happened to us when we go circumsized? Someone else thought it was best and forced it upon us. What if they decided cosmetic and medical research on foreskins was "the greater good", you wouldnt accept your loss as being beneficial to society. Who decides what the common good is anyways? Hopefully not me or you, I wouldnt even let Ron decide that.

At one point in history racism and slavery were commonly believed to be for the common good, and I'm sure lots of people felt otherwise but never said anything becuase they figured some sacrifice was needed for the common good, If things had gone the other way and slavery was still in effect I hope that you wouldnt just accept it as for the greater good an not say anything.

[airpud]

Originally Posted by roostorf

After all if you say he cant say that because its wrong (I also agree racism is wrong) then when something you believe is deemed wrong by someone else you might not have the right to say it anymore.

I think if we are describing things and are honest, we should always be allowed to say it, or even say when not allowed. Or especially if we're not allowed.

And if someone disgrees with something we say, he has the right, or even the responsibility to say he disagrees with it.

I say "X is bad".

He says "X is good".

These are opinions. Being banned for harrassing people does make sense. If I was harrassing someone I should be banned.

If I blame such-and-such a person or group for something, why should I get banned? Aren't foreskins legal?

[greg_b]

w.o.f. and airpud:

Would you please try and stop attacking each other?

Be hard on the issues, not the people.

Remember, you do not have to respond.

Regards

[greg_b]

Originally Posted by w.o.f.

That's a cop-out. Please don't pretend that this is just two guys bickering at each other. I'm not the one carrying it over into other threads, as you will find when you read this thread carefully from the beginning. See also this thread where airpud chimed in out of the blue just to curse me out. I am not doing that. I am by now aware that Ron Low is unwilling to step in even in cases of severe harassment, stalking, trolling, abuse, and antisemitism, all of which Airpud has engaged in. To say that he and I are just the same is preposterous, and you know it.

I did not say you were the same as aipud or visa versa. Go back and read what I said.

You can take my request and do as you wish. Just as Ron and the moderators can read both of your various posts and do as we wish.

You and airpud are making a choice to respond. You and airpud are making a choice as to how to respond. You have many choices in how you respond, once you decide responding is appropriate. Your choice.

I find your and airpuds constant bickering irritating. And you and he have derailed several threads, including this one. You both can continue this battle of he said this and he said that and moderator do something he is being bad. To me you both sound like 3 year olds fighting and asking their parents to do something about the bad brother.

But if you feel need to do that, well, that is your choice. Others will judge you by your words and you decision to respond. You might consider that your audience is not as simple minded as needing to be told someone is being bad. Or that they said something bad. This audience is actually quite sophisticated.

All I am asking is for you to consider why you are posting. To further a discussion? To provide insight into a difficult issue? To make a public statement that someone else is being bad and should be slapped down?

Be hard on the issues, not on the people.

Or, as my dad would have said, when I was a child, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."

Your choice.

Regards

[photenman]

Hear hear. This is a support group. We have to be civil to each other. This thread is for wives and partners. We really need their support and to know what they think about circumcision and restoration.

If we squabble and insult each other, and worse yet insult very supportive and honest women, we're just hurting ourselves. I actually find it very offensive. If it gets worse, I'll just leave the group.