How to grow longer rather than softer foreskin?

[jens]

Hey guys,

I've been restoring for a few months now - by manual tugging only. I started at CI-5 or 6.

I tug hourly for a good minute or so. I put my thumb right in and pull and twist. And I reverse the position of the thumb to twist the other way.

The skin is definitely looser and slacker. I can pull it over the whole glans and it just rests there for the day pretty much. Is it longer? I can't say. First thing in the morning or if I go without tugging, it seems to me to be back where it started. Again, it's hard to say - perhaps I am slowly gaining - but it seems to me that the only change I'm bringing about is loosening the skin.

How can manual tugging actually grow longer skin rather than just loosening up existing skin?

[admin]

Originally Posted by jens

The skin is definitely looser and slacker. . . Is it longer? . . . How can manual tugging actually grow longer skin rather than just loosening up existing skin?

You need to measure your Forced Erect Coverage http://foreskin-restoration.net/foru...90&postcount=1 monthly to track your actual progress.

[Distalero]

Originally Posted by jens

Hey guys,

I've been restoring for a few months now - by manual tugging only. I started at CI-5 or 6.

I tug hourly for a good minute or so. I put my thumb right in and pull and twist. And I reverse the position of the thumb to twist the other way.

The skin is definitely looser and slacker. I can pull it over the whole glans and it just rests there for the day pretty much. Is it longer? I can't say. First thing in the morning or if I go without tugging, it seems to me to be back where it started. Again, it's hard to say - perhaps I am slowly gaining - but it seems to me that the only change I'm bringing about is loosening the skin.

How can manual tugging actually grow longer skin rather than just loosening up existing skin?

Tugging for a "few months" is nowhere near enough time to see any real change, other than a temporary looseness which, as you've described, will tighten again. Restoration takes years, and what I saw (and what others have described seeing) were changes after the fact. In other words, there was no single day I could compare to a preceding day, where one day there was "that", and the next day there was "this", but over time there was eventually a little more skin, then a little more, and I only noticed this "more" in a rearview mirror sort of way. We are asking our skin to do something it will do, but only in very small increments. That's just the way it is. There's no magic solution for this, just endurance.

How does manual grow skin? Same way any other technique does, by triggering the skin's natural response to add to itself if there are enough cycles of tension. Manual does this at least as well as any other technique, and in my personal opinion, it may do it better than some, if for no other reason than some techniques are hard to live with.

Put in the time (years), and you'll see exactly what I've described.

[sync45]

What Jens has described is similar to my own experience. I've been using manual-only techniques 2 and 3 off and on, and irregularly, for a couple of years. I recently got back to more regular manual tugging, usually in the mornings and evenings, but only 10-15 minutes at a time. I tend to concentrate on the inner foreskin, because I want more of that ultra-sensitive skin restored. It's all that's left of the original foreskin, with all its special qualities.

In my experience, manual techniques work amazingly well and fast. In a relatively short time, I was able to perform "assisted coverage" of the glans that held initially for hours. After renewed work in the last few weeks - but only literally minutes a day - my "foreskin" is just starting to flip over the corona almost by itself, which it didn't do before. Now, assisted [flacid] coverage lasts practically the whole day, and is becoming a matter of routine.

In my own case, I like the idea of assisted coverage, because it really gives a sense of accomplishment and taste of restoration, since the glans can benefit from the protective coverage of the faux foreskin, and hence, increased sensitivity and the feel of being uncut, which is a welcome reward in itself along the long road to full restoration.

As for length versus softness of newly-grown skin, I would caution against excessive use of technique 3, because the way I see it, it might lead to a lateral enlargement of the faux foreskin, which might reduce the desired pucker effect - i.e. a closure of the foreskin at the tip of the glans. If I were to choose one and only one technique, it would be #2.

I hope this might help the discussion, and I'm certainly open to any comments from more experienced restorers.

Good luck.

Sync 45

[Distalero]

Originally Posted by jens

Hey guys,

I've been restoring for a few months now - by manual tugging only. I started at CI-5 or 6....
The skin is definitely looser and slacker... Is it longer? .... it seems to me that the only change I'm bringing about is loosening the skin.
How can manual tugging actually grow longer skin rather than just loosening up existing skin?

The other issue here is that nothing gets "longer" ever. You aren't growing a tube, you are growing more shaft skin. As you grow more shaft skin it doesn't get looser exactly, you are just growing a greater amount, which rests in the same area, so it looks "looser", but in fact it's just.... "more". It doesn't become a tube until you take the "more" and roll it down into a tube. The tube is formed by the shape of the penile shaft. The tube will roll down farther as you continue to grow "more", making the tube appear "longer", but it's really just "more".

Manual, like I've said before, is one of the best methods.

[dotsugeki013]

I've been using manual tugging only and the problem is I didn't know I have to tug the inner skin as well. Now it's harder for me to target the inner skin using 1 and 4 since outer skin is so much more than inner. I used this methods since I only needed to grow dorsal skin (I was given a dorsal slit). Any suggestions? I'm reluctant to do method 2 since it's hard to do without an erection.

[sync45]

[/quote]"You aren't growing a tube, you are growing more shaft skin.... Manual, like I've said before, is one of the best methods".[/quote]

I've read this entire statement a couple of times, and I don't quite understand your point. The purpose of tugging is to create more skin through mitosis. You can call it "looser", but to me, that also means "longer". How else would it become "looser"? As someone knits a sock, for example, it is becoming longer. You can also call it looser if you prefer. But to me, it's the same thing.

Using my own experience again, achieving assisted or "forced" coverage is rather easy now. It was impossibile when I started. If the skin has not become longer, then how is this long-lasting complete coverage of the glans possibile?

Perhaps you are trying to make a subtle distinction that I don't quite understand. In any case, it seems more discouraging than encouraging.

As for your positive comments about manual tugging in general, I agree completely.

Sync45

[sync45]

Originally Posted by dotsugeki013

I've been using manual tugging only and the problem is I didn't know I have to tug the inner skin as well. I'm reluctant to do method 2 since it's hard to do without an erection.

I think that every case is a unique case, and it's hard to offer a general recipe. Having said this, I personally am comcentrating on producing more inner foreskin, for the reasons I mentioned in my previous comments. While errect tugging has been said to be better for some reason I don't fully understand, I usually tug flacid, and find it easy and effective.

Sync45

[Distalero]

It is a subtle distinction, but true nonetheless, and subtle only if you can't shake the longstanding idea that we grow a tube shape; especially if you think that you can influence this shape somehow by what you do. So many restorers, some quite successful in reaching a goal, believe that we grow a tube. We simply don't, and this is a drum I beat from time to time, in the interests of actually understanding what happens. If it's subtle to the point of discouraging you then don't pay attention to it, just carry on, the end result will be the same. You understand the fact that manual is more than some interim, remedial method, and that's the important point in my view.

[sync45]

Originally Posted by Distalero

It is a subtle distinction, but true nonetheless, and subtle only if you can't shake the longstanding idea that we grow a tube shape; especially if you think that you can influence this shape somehow by what you do....

I think I may understand what you mean by this in a padantic, theoretical way, although it's still not entirely clear to me what you are trying to say.

As for the direction of growth, I find it hard to see it as anywhere except laterial - i.e. along the length of the shaft. Of course, it would be possibile to tug shaft skin away from the shaft, so as to make it "looser" in that sense. But I can't see how this would happen with laterial tugging, especially from the point where the new skin becomes long enough to make that "magic" transit over the corona and move progressively up and over the glans.

Perhaps the word "tube" needs definition. From all the restoration pictures I have seen, and from my own experience, new skin is makig it possibile to progressively cover more and more of the glans, which is the point of the exercise. If this doesn't qualify as a "tube", what is it? The word "tube" is frequently used by experienced restorers on this forum, which makes it all the more confusing to me.

I would appreciate more clarity in your statement. As I pragmatist, I still have trouble seeing the importance of the distinction you are making.

Thanks,
Sync45