Religion not allowing circumcision?

[Mister.Barbecue]

Originally Posted by airpud

International Jewry told the rank and file Jews to pretend to convert, then get inside the Catholic church and eventually take it over. This they did!

Um... please shut the fuck up. You are a crazy, paranoid ranter and the intactivist movement simply doesn't need people like you.

[Ozymandias]

Hello,

For a long time I have found the 'do you believe in God yes or no' question, unanswerable, because to sum up life and the universe with either a yes or a no, seems rather arrogant.

For many years I called myself an agnostic, that was until I learned from a philosopher named Spinoza. He came from a strict Jewish background and what he said earned him death threats and a knife attack.

First thing he said, that pissed off his people big time was, "God did not create the universe, God is the universe", the second thing he said was Jewish people are the same as everyone else.

With his work he created Pantheism, this is a religion that uses science as it's language.

Einstein was a pantheist and one of his favourite philosophers was Spinoza.

I consider all words to be labels of one sort or another, so the way I got out of the arrogant dichotomy was to turn the term 'god' on its head. By doing so, I say what ever has created me, I shall call God. So sex is God, my parents are God, evolution is God and here it gets interesting, the dynamo for all life on our planet is the sun. Why this is interesting is, many cultures in the past, have also considered the sun to be God.

The weird coincidence is, if you know where to look, the bible also tells you that God is the sun.

PSALM 147 Verse 8: Who covereth the heaven with clouds, who prepareth rain for the earth, who maketh grass to grow upon the mountains. Verse 9: He giveth to the beast his food, and to the young ravens which cry. PSALM 104 Verse 13: He watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works. Verse 14: He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth. PSALM 19 Verse 1: The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmanent sheweth his handiwork. Verse 2: Day unto day uttereth speech. And night unto night sheweth knowledge. Verse 3: Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a Tabernacle for the Sun.

I don't know where the evidence for this is, but I have also read that Spinoza thought circumcision was wrong.

Men are women with a bit extra, why does our species seem to have a problem with this?

Both men and women have an x chromosome, the female has a back up x chromosome. This is why women almost never are colour blind or have the genetic disease hemophilia. The reason for this is, the gene for colour vision and for creating the protein that makes blood clot is on the x chromosome, so the female has a backup copy. The extra bit that makes the female foetus turn into a male, is the information on the y chromosome.

After the second world war, a new science came about, the science of epigenetics, this studies what happens to the organism after conception. What the mother eats affects what happens to the way the foetus grows. For around the first three months, there is no difference between the female foetus and the male foetus. Then testosterone kicks in and the male genitals start to form, this sometimes goes wrong because of insufficient testosterone then the baby becomes intersex.

Epigenetics continues after the baby is born, more criminals are created by epigenetics, than straight forward genetics, it was because of epigenetic reasons, that lead became banned in fuel. Lead leads to lowered IQ scores.

Circumcision leads to a difference in development, the foreskin nerves connect to the limbic system, the limbic system is incredibly ancient in terms of evolution, it is the conductor of the brains emotional orchestra. Detaching the brain from most of it's genitalia, means sex has to be more imagined, than being straight forward sensory data.

An important part of psychology is the concept of 'in group' and 'out group', which could be termed 'one of us' not 'one of us' all mammals make this emotional decision, it is a limbic decision. There is very good genetic evidence, that Jews and Palestinians are closely related.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001...ience.genetics

It is my hypothesis that circumcision changes the dynamics of the limbic system, in terms of 'in group' 'out group'.

The famous case of Phineas Gage gives a hefty clue, after a crowbar was driven through the front of his brain by an accident with dynamite, his behaviour changed. What happened was, his behaviour was no longer mediated by his frontal cortex.

Now we know about evolution, our frontal cortex can override the emotional signals, coming from our limbic systems, telling us that someone is different because they have a different skin colour.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ite-twins.html

[admin]

Originally Posted by airpud

International Jewry told the rank and file Jews to pretend to convert, then get inside the Catholic church and eventually take it over. This they did!

That falls in the "extraordinary claims" category and so warrants extraordinary proof. I doubt we'll find it.

I would note that by my own measurements at intactivist functions, there are about 10 times as many Jews actively working to end infant circumcision as you would predict from the proportion of Jews in the general population.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by w.o.f.

But isn't there also a wildly disproportionate number of Jewish people among high profile circumcision advocates?

It is my hypothesis that, male postnatal circumcision, creates males that are slightly more narrow minded, or in other words less likely to change their minds, no matter what the evidence.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by w.o.f.

Ok... so how does that hypothesis account for Ron's observation that there is a disproportionately high number of Jewish people among organized intactivists?

Because I think the taught dichotomy between capitalism and communism is artificial, and a sign that someone's limbic system has been tampered with.

You are one of us, or one of them

[intact]

Originally Posted by admin

That falls in the "extraordinary claims" category and so warrants extraordinary proof. I doubt we'll find it.

I would note that by my own measurements at intactivist functions, there are about 10 times as many Jews actively working to end infant circumcision as you would predict from the proportion of Jews in the general population.

I made a lil poll to measure this on here
http://foreskin-restoration.net/foru...ad.php?t=11552

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by w.o.f.

Capitalism? Communism? Huh? Anyway, so in your opinion intactivists are just as badly "tampered with" as circumcision advocates? That makes no sense whatsoever. Your hypothesis may be bullshit. Have you considered that possibility?

Yeah reality mostly teaches me I talk bullshit and circumcised men run our planet and you think I don't know this?

[Ozymandias]

The human beings who run our planet are not doing a good job, my evidence for this is, they consider it natural to rearrange male infant genitalia and get whole nations into debt, because usury is moral behaviour because it beats working for a living.

[Rood]

The Church of Latter Day Saints regards the body as holy, and mutilations of any kind are not sanctioned: no tattoos, no ear-piercings, and no male or female genital mutilation.

Infant Male Genital Mutilation, however, is carried out by many if not most LDS members ... even in church-run hospitals. Why the hypocrisy? I figure church leaders are so desperate to conform to their perception of the approved social life of the USA that they disregard this stricture.