I don't feel good enough for her

[admin]

Originally Posted by swordofpeace

I love these girls because they are intactivists but I hate them for rejecting cut men.

DO we have evidence of women rejecting cut men? I missed something.

[swordofpeace]

Originally Posted by admin

DO we have evidence of women rejecting cut men? I missed something.

Yeah I do. WhatUneverknew is married now, but she said she didn't want to sleep with circumcised men, as I remember. Don't quote me exactly but it was something like that. Also I think I've read elsewhere, but also in my personal correspondence, with a few other women. It's not always flat out rejection, but it may cause women to take a few points off of their score, it may make them a bit more ambivalent. And you know what, I don't blame them but it still makes me angry.

In fact even if I just hear of only one woman saying this, it opens up the channel in my mind to think this way. How many women feel a certain way without actually saying it? Just like how many circ'ed guys are there who just passively accept their state or even say they are happy about it, compared with the few who express anger? I think there is a conspiracy of silence.

Even if they don't reject the men as partners, maybe they reject their sexual overtures once in a while. They show less passion. the evidence for that is chapter 11 of Sex as Nature Intended it. I don't blame them but it upsets me nonetheless. They may show less passion and have more headaches or give less orgasms. I don't want any woman to fake for me, and that "how to satisfy a woman ever time" author shows how millions and millions of women in America have been faking it all along. I don't want a faker. Or their thought may stray and drift to other men, fantasies about other guys, other lovers. I take all of these things as forms of rejection at some level. I'd actually prefer complete rejection to living with someone who accepts me on the whole but rejects important parts of who I am and refuses to give me what I need

[jeff71913]

Originally Posted by admin

That is something to pose to maybe a facebook group: Women sympathetic to cut men (or similar). You would think that gals on our team would more than others know what accommodations are to be made for the best possible sex without slack.

-Ron

I believe that amongst women it is a feeling of sympathy toward the circumcised male that perpetuates this barbaric procedure. There are plenty of websites that are devoted to this type of sexual fetish, although they usually don't focus on circumcision since the practice is so common in America. I believe that in many cases the female feels superior to the circumcised male and views him as sexually handicapped. The female enjoys a feeling of accomplishment and sexual satisfaction if she can bring some degree of sexual pleasure to the male that she likely, albeit subconsciously, views as damaged goods. I believe men feel the same way toward circumcised women. This probably doesn't apply to every case, but I feel certain it applies in many, if not most, cases where women find circumcision preferable to the intact state. Studies need to be conducted in this and many other areas concerning genital cutting. If we study the behavior of genital cutting closely enough we will eventually get to the bottom of it, and when we do I have a strong feeling society will not like the results.

Example: Aww, let mommie kiss your boo-boo and make it all better. Yes, the child feels better in this case, but so does mommie. In this case the mother enjoys a sense of accomplishment as she feels she has eased the child's pain. This behavior carries over to circumcision. The adult female makes her partners damaged penis feel better. Again, the male enjoys this action, but so does the female, but in this case there is also sexual motivation involved. This is the reason we see some women that are extremely pro-circumcision speaking so sympathetically toward their circumcised children. They may state how much pain their child endured and say how sorry they feel for the child, but they never waiver their support of genital mutilation. I say this most reluctantly, but I suspect in these cases there may be some degree of sexual fetish on behalf of the mother toward the child. After reading hundreds of statements by pro-circumcision mothers I really have little doubt that sexual fetish is not involved. There will be unimaginable resistance in proving such a thing, although I do believe it can be proven.

[swordofpeace]

Originally Posted by jeff71913

I believe that amongst women it is a feeling of sympathy toward the circumcised male that perpetuates this barbaric procedure. There are plenty of websites that are devoted to this type of sexual fetish, although they usually don't focus on circumcision since the practice is so common in America. I believe that in many cases the female feels superior to the circumcised male and views him as sexually handicapped. The female enjoys a feeling of accomplishment and sexual satisfaction if she can bring some degree of sexual pleasure to the male that she likely, albeit subconsciously, views as damaged goods. I believe men feel the same way toward circumcised women. This probably doesn't apply to every case, but I feel certain it applies in many, if not most, cases where women find circumcision preferable to the intact state. Studies need to be conducted in this and many other areas concerning genital cutting. If we study the behavior of genital cutting closely enough we will eventually get to the bottom of it, and when we do I have a strong feeling society will not like the results.

Example: Aww, let mommie kiss your boo-boo and make it all better. Yes, the child feels better in this case, but so does mommie. In this case the mother enjoys a sense of accomplishment as she feels she has eased the child's pain. This behavior carries over to circumcision. The adult female makes her partners damaged penis feel better. Again, the male enjoys this action, but so does the female, but in this case there is also sexual motivation involved. This is the reason we see some women that are extremely pro-circumcision speaking so sympathetically toward their circumcised children. They may state how much pain their child endured and say how sorry they feel for the child, but they never waiver their support of genital mutilation. I say this most reluctantly, but I suspect in these cases there may be some degree of sexual fetish on behalf of the mother toward the child. After reading hundreds of statements by pro-circumcision mothers I really have little doubt that sexual fetish is not involved. There will be unimaginable resistance in proving such a thing, although I do believe it can be proven.

Good God. I have not thought of any of this. I pray that none of it is true but I know already that some of it must be true in some cases. I only hope it's influence is not major. I never thought of women as sexual 'predators' in this sense, or abusers. They may not committ the crime but if they countenance it, if they approve it, especially when they are people of influence (cf Sex in the City) then they have blood on their hands. I see now if this is true there may be a degree of sickness in the society beyond what I imagined. İnterestingly I just was reading some Gandhi yesterday night, in his own words, on different topics, and I read the chapter on 'women'. He seems to have had an idealized opinion of them, which I think is very unheathy but all too common. If what you suggest has any truth in it, it breaks my heart even more and makes me outraged and angry. Especially because the women of Europe probably prefer and expect the intact. Who are they to assume and decide? This is all speculation of course but like Jeff, I'd like to examine and consider it. I'd like at least to explore the real uncensored feelings and emotions going through them, including ones we might find to be ugly and terrible, and see if they get any emotional payoff from the practice. Let's go down the rabbit hole Alice.

[pickyreader]

If I was a woman, I would only accept an intact man. I would ask at the beginning of first dates.

If I lived in an FGM practicing moslem country, I would also reject non-intact partners.

If I am ever rejected by a partner because I am not intact, it will hurt me as deeply as anthing else to do with MGM ever has, but I would understand, because I would do the same thing in her place.

[antibunk]

American women are becoming more educated on the issue of male anatomy, specifically as it pertains to circumcision. This is particularly the case with younger women. In my experience, a woman who is likely to say "ewww" to a natural penis or have preference for cut guys is more than likely 35+ and/or in relationship with cut guy. She may have been with cut guys most of life and may have cut kids. Inn other words, she is ignorant. Simple.

Since circumcision rates have been falling in recent years and the internet is making information about the brutal practice of circumcision available to the public, younger women in the States are more than likely to have preference for intact guys. Many of them have been with cut and intact guys, and they are not weirded out by foreskin. This often seems to be true with information seekers and sexually confident women. These women are informed. Simple.

I have encountered at least one female on dating site who stated clearly in her profile that she would only date intact men. Most women will not have circ status as a dealbreaker. Most would date a Brad Pitt, George Clooney, or Ryan Gosling (all of whom are cut, I believe). But women are attracted to confidence. Intact guys, blissfully ignorant cut guys, and restorers with good results would tend to be more confident than a lot of insecure cut guys or new restorers. I have been with a number of women since commencing restoration. I have only mentioned regret about my circ to one of them. I immediately sensed that she stopped viewing me as a confident man and more as a victim. This may be fine when one is in established relationship, has developed bond, and is bringing other things to the table (security, money, etc). But in new relationship, it can cause harm. One of my other relationships ended because of poor sexual performance by me coupled with low self confidence that I was exuding at the time. Most of the others ended because I was not ready for relationship. I have been more concerned with restoring over last several months than I have been with having sex. As a guy, we need to be 100% ready because women usually dictate when the sex happens. THAT is why my circ and restoration are so bad. It literally turned me into a female! I find myself having to make excuses for not wanting to have sex. Sometimes it is because I know I would not be able to perform well. Other times, it is because my cock is all banged up, red, dried from all the restoring. I don't want the chick to see it and think I have a rare STD. Embarrassing.

Male-female relationships are really the simplest things in the world. Guys want to fuck. Women want to fuck. Sex feels good for guys. Sex feels good for women. It is nature. It has been going on forever with mammals. You ever see how wondrous and pure love can be? Circumcision is a wrench in the equation. It makes sex not feel as good for the man. It makes sex not feel as good for the woman. The man may feel insecure and defensive about it, so how the fuck can he be a man?! He can't! Act insecure and defensive, and women can smell it a mile away. He's dead in the water, bloated, belly up.

I have this chick coming over in 2 hours. I know she wants sex tonight. I just want companionship to ward off the dark monster of loneliness. In fairness, I should mention that I have a billion problems in my life in addition to my mutilated dick. My mask of sanity is slowly slipping...

[bsidney]

It sounds to me like she is being very supportive of you. I know it seemd like she might not be, but she is just telling you that with or without a foreskin she wants to be with you and if you can restore she will be happy for you too. Many guys never know they are missing something. Being oblivious is less painful than knowing. I had the same feelings of loss. It is hard to know at my age that for 30 years sex could have been, no, would have been so much better. I am restoring for me. My wife loves sex with me and always has. I have needed more and more friction to ejaculate though. If I were you I would not discuss it with her any more unless she brings it up. You can always use this site for support to work through this. I was once in a wheel chair and I overcame that hurdle too. Only others who have the same injury can truly understand what we are going through. My family supported me during the bad times, but just tried to be accepting of my problem. Most others can't really understand the loss that we feel. They still care and are just trying to tell us that they care about us not just whether or not we have all of our body parts. I think that is a good sign for you since it sounds like she will be with you in sickness and in health to use a familiar phrase.

I have achieved full flacid coverage and have noticed much more sensitivity. I need much less friction to ejaculate. It makes me mad to know that I could have had so much better sex all those years. However, the fact that I have made such good progress, not done yet, makes me so happy and encourages me to continue that it really doesn't matter to me what even my wife thinks about it. I know it is better for me and if it is better for her thats cool, but restoring is for me. When I was younger my penis was much more important to me and mine was a nice one even though I was circ'ed. I think we men are a little too obsessed with our penises and sometimes make too much of it.

The happiness you will experience when you look down in the morning and see your foreskin totally covering your glans will be something only another restorer will understand. To be whole again is quit a good feeling. Not perfect, but most intact guys are not exactly perfect either, just natural. I know I can never get all of my foreskin exactly as it would have been but I will get as close as possible.

[yakko79]

Sorry for such a late reply, I just wanna say thanks for all the support it really helped. My girlfriend and I are living together, and though its taken some time things have gotten to the point where I'm comfortable putting on my DTR in front of her and just the other day she offered to do it herself. For a long time my restoration had just become a taboo thing for us to talk about and when I misplaced my DTR while moving into our new apartment I waited awhile to order new one. Not restoring just got rid of the elephant in the corner. But December marked the approximate 6 month mark on restoration and I realized I could be much farther along if I wasn't so afraid of openly wearing the device in front of her. So since ordering a DTR I've made it my goal to retain as mush as possible and to tug for at least 5 hours a day; I'm seeing quicker progress than ever. This morning I was putting on my DTR (I've gotten into the habit of just including it into my dress routine) and she said she was happy about my new found commitment and glad to see that I'm really sticking to something I feel strongly about.

Thanks again guys for the support. Keep tugging