Circumcision and Suicide

[Baron]

When you can't experience sexual pleasure, you tend to want to kill yourself. The whole world is so rotten and sex is that one consolation prize god gave you because even if you are poor as dirt you can have an orgasm and then say to yourself "at least life ain't all bad". I mean sure I've felt a little pleasure, but 9 times out of 10 I'm completely numb. This must be what its like to have no penis at all; anything that arouses me ruins my day.

Though most men aren't in that situation, I do think it comes up in a lot of minds when they find out about their mutilation. I don't think most will kill themselves until a situation becomes intolerable. I know that I'm not going to kill myself. Maybe in 10 years if I get really fed up, or if medical technology fails to provide me any relief but I really doubt that I won't be able to find a way to keep interested in life.

Another interesting study would be reviewing the link between claustrophobia and neonatal trauma while the child is restrained (like circumcision). The classic claustrophobic is someone who is afraid of closed spaces and they start panicking because they believe they are going to suffocate. In my case I am completely fine is confined spaces. I was a very small child and I used to hide in crawlspaces and other places like that for hours to get away from people. However even to this day I have panic attacks if I'm pinned down. I'm not afraid of suffocating though when it happens. I actually don't know what I'm afraid of happening to me. I just panic and pass out if held there long enough. One time my uncle did that to me and I pissed myself and my whole family laughed at me.

I think there are a lot of personality traits that are influenced by circumcision. The decision of suicide is not typically a binary process, just like anything else other factors come into play from the persons life so it will be hard to see statistics change dramatically unless the effects are dramatic. Yes circumcision is terrible but we spent our whole life having the effects underplayed by everyone else; simply put as a boy you are not allowed to be upset about it so many are not and their ignorance keeps them complacent.

[Joseph]

Originally Posted by Baron

When you can't experience sexual pleasure, you tend to want to kill yourself. The whole world is so rotten and sex is that one consolation prize god gave you because even if you are poor as dirt you can have an orgasm and then say to yourself "at least life ain't all bad". I mean sure I've felt a little pleasure, but 9 times out of 10 I'm completely numb. This must be what its like to have no penis at all; anything that arouses me ruins my day.

I've always had this thought, but could never figure out how to put it to words.

You're born in this world, and you are violated in your most intimate and fragile of organs.

You think to yourself, when all else sucks, at least you have your dick.

Except for, no, because Doctor Mutilator wanted his paycheck, and maybe even his kicks.

This is quite possibly the biggest reason infant circumcision pisses me off.

You have to live with the consequences, good or bad, for the rest of your life.

Originally Posted by Baron

Yes circumcision is terrible but we spent our whole life having the effects underplayed by everyone else; simply put as a boy you are not allowed to be upset about it so many are not and their ignorance keeps them complacent.

This is slowly changing.

Men are now being allowed to express their anger and contempt for having been violated as children.

Men are gaining the courage to voice their objection, however belittled they are by others.

You are now allowed to be upset, and this is one of the places to do it.

[Mister.Barbecue]

I know it's an old thread, but I thought I'd mention a case of a suicide because of circumcision.

Brian Mathew Brandt killed himself in 2011. He was known to be very upset about being circumcised. Someone wrote to NOCIRC saying they believed that he killed himself because he was so unhappy about being circumcised. He also claimed that he knew someone else who did this.

His photo. He is on the left.

His death was announced in the NOCIRC newsletter: http://www.nocirc.org/publish/NOCIRC_2012_nwsltr.pdf

We don’t know who else to tell about this, but a friend/associate
we started to know well at our local gym just committed
suicide. Brian Mathew Brandt was only 28 years old. He was a
very vocal intactivist. He hated himself and his mother over
a very aggressive circumcision conducted while he was an
infant. This haunted him his whole life, as he explained to
people that his was an aggressive circ gone wrong. He felt that
he was mutilated and could never have sexual relations. We
know for certain that his suicide was due to his circumcision.
How can we get that message out? We know Brian would want
people to know. (In fact, we tried to put him in touch with
you while he was alive...he instead tried to go through some
courts, judges, and doctors only to have door after door shut
on him--no one took him seriously). He wanted to get back at
his mother for ‘doing’ this to him and thus saw suicide as the
only way out. Name withheld upon request. 11/12/11

I did some googling and discovered that he claims he knew of another suicide related to circumcision.

Hi, I’m 27 years old and was circumcised for the purpose to remove sexual pleasure. I want to get more involved, I want to open a chapter in my town, and I want to do it for many reasons. One of the most important reasons is because one of my great teammates for online gaming committed suicide with circumcision being a major factor for his conclusion.

Circumcision leads to suicide, which leads to suicide of another?

[jeff71913]

Originally Posted by Mister.Barbecue

His death was announced in the NOCIRC newsletter: http://www.nocirc.org/publish/NOCIRC_2012_nwsltr.pdf

ACOG Denies Intact America Booth
Intact America applied for a booth at the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology 2011 convention, just as NOCIRC did for many years, also without success. In their rejection letter, ACOG said circumcision is “beyond the scope of the practice of obstetrics and gynecology.” Interestingly, the majority of circumcisions in the USA are done by ob/gyns.

Circumcision has almost nothing to do with health, except in very rare cases. This is a psychological and sociological issue, not a medical issue. I have no doubt that genital cutting leads to suicide in some cases and if it leads to suicide in one case, that is one too many. Circumcision is a mind game and it will take a very sophisticated mind game to end it.