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Old July 3rd, 2012
swordofpeace swordofpeace is offline
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No offence, but circumcision of anything is evil. A circumcised heart? That is ugly. Pure poppycock.

Do you know what you are saying? What is this nonsense about circumcising hearts?

We just need to circumcise the following, and it is a comprehensive list:
Aha, you are thinking with the carnal mind. I am speaking in metaphors, with the spiritual mind. I'm talking about humility, contrition, grief. Surely, the heart needs pruning. Circumcision of anything fleshly profits nothing but cutting away our evil and selfish desires profit everything.
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Old July 3rd, 2012
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While I agree that being circumcised hurts our sex lives, I think that you are generalizing too much. There are girls who learn to love a man despite his circumcised penis. There are men who are satisfied with their sex lives despite being cut. As they say, ignorance is bliss. Just as a deaf person may find some satisfaction in their life without sound or a blind person can be just as happy without seeing, so too can a circumcised man and woman create a loving bond the best they know how.

This explanation does not work for me but I remind myself that most people are ignorant about circumcision so they accept certain aspects of their reality. They don't worry about it. You might meet a woman who does not care that you are cut and truly loves you despite that. It could be all she knows. You can not rule out a sex life because you are ashamed of being circumcised, especially because many women don't understand the difference.

Think of it this way, you are restoring for her. Who is really benefiting from you gaining enough skin to regain the gliding motion. You can't have the nerves to appreciate it like you would if you were intact, but does that matter to her. You are getting more pleasure then you can imagine while she is getting the pleasure from sex she was meant to get. All she needs from you is that even rhythm you will be able to provide, the natural lube you will be able to retain, inside her and outside her, and you will give the expansion the gliding motion provides. Thus all her body knows is that it is getting the expected response out of your penis, and will make is so it is a lot like natural sex.

I am just making a theory here. I have not tested it. This is just how I understand some of the benefits of restoration. It is a more positive way to look at the world and helps us all move on.
Alright, I understand your views and I share them but go farther. For example people may say they don't care or they don't notice a difference. Even if they believe what they say with their full hearts, well they are still missing out on something, and that something is important. Sex was created to bond men and women. If you were born with few taste buds, or no color vision, and you never knew about this, that you were any different than others, you would never know what you were missing. But if your wife cooked you great meals, laboring away, and you didn't really show signs of much enjoying it ever, then that might lead to resentment and frustration, and even relationship difficulties, even if they say they don't care. Plus it's just really sad. Women already are more sensitive than men. To take the bulk of what sensitivity they have remaining in men is just really cruel and imbalancing.

Also say when I complete my restoration, and I can give the woman everything I lost, from her point of view, but I can still only receive 75 percent of the pleasure that I would have otherwise. That is still taking from her since sex is supposed to be a feedback loop of emotion and sensation, going back and forth. It's like we can't play 'catch' as well, because I've lost the ability to catch it. Albeit to a degree. This is my thinking. I know it will get much better.

Anyway I have one more thing to say: Glory is everything. I talked with my exgf again and we are getting together. I've learned how to express my dominance. First she agrees with the circ trauma now although she was dismissive a bit at first. now she understands and I will help her understand more deeply. She's German but she's also Jewish and had a circ'ed ex. Anyway there are other ways to make woman reflect glory to us, by being men, being dominant and powerful. To know a woman's heart and to take responsibility for her as one takes for a child, and lead and discipline and serve and direct. She is getting so turned on and aroused by my words. I am gaining masculine confidence.

And to reply to one poster- I'm not homophobe but if I was I wouldn't be ashamed to say it. No, I really feel for my queer brothers and sisters. I don't have enough masculine shame to feel same sex attraction. I do think in various ways that circ may influence one's becoming homosexual or even wanting to do it in a woman's anus although I think that's only one factor, but a major one perhaps. Please don't ever suggest this option to me ever again though. You had courage and I respect you for that but never say this again to me. I get my pleasure from the feminine and I know even with circ and esp after restoration I'm still a better man than most. that's not to be cocky. Just men are neurotic these days as a result of culture. I've decided I can also, I might as well also declare openly to make it easier for everyone- that I'm a sexist. Let's just say I'm a sexist, to make it easy for people. I like to think I treat women very well. I would still let them have options, legal rights (if they also have corresponding responsibilities- i.e. no special privileges), but I am a sexist in my personal attitude and ideas about roles and gender. My girlfriend finds my views and attitude increasingly erotic, it makes her wet, it makes her do things to please me, and I am only just getting started! It even reduces arguments and friction in the relationship and I realize when I saw other men being this way I denied I wanted it but I was secretly envious and helpless. Anyway this is another way to get glory, with masculine assertion, and ultimately in the end one must surrender up all Glory to the Lord, the maker of heaven and earth, for that is why we are here.

Peace be with you!!!
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Old July 5th, 2012
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Aha, you are thinking with the carnal mind. I am speaking in metaphors, with the spiritual mind. I'm talking about humility, contrition, grief. Surely, the heart needs pruning. Circumcision of anything fleshly profits nothing but cutting away our evil and selfish desires profit everything.
Pure nonsense. UG Krishnamurti said "Spirituality is the invention of the mind, and the mind is a myth." Metaphors or anything condoning any kind of circumcision is pure nonsense and just plain evil.
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