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Old January 27th, 2012
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hi brothers I found some manga pictures related circumcision in Japan I want to show you to know how Japanese think about circumcision
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Old January 27th, 2012
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I think they cut all the inner skin and they make a scar just next to the glans
so they remove all the sensible tissue to hide scars ! oh my god are they serious ?
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Interesting!?!?!?... can anybody translate these?
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yes please we need translation !
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I think the top right pic was self-explanatory. So now the Japanese are favoring genital mutilation? Last time I checked the stats the rate was quite low there.
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I think the top right pic was self-explanatory.
Yea the "sad" and "happy" penises really said it all. Someone should make a new one when the circumcised penis is sad and a restored one is happy.
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Old January 28th, 2012
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I want to show you to know how Japanese think about circumcision
It seems more like what one author thinks about male circumcision.
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These look very old as to my knowledge that manga style isn't common anymore. There is a high probability of this being created sometime during the American occupation of Japan which lasted from 1945 to 1952 or shortly after that time period perhaps up to the 1960s. Keep in mind that even though the occupation ended in 1952 the United States would have strong influence over Japan during the height of the circumcision craze. This is backed up further by the photographs they look very old and fail to show very much detail especially with the pubic hair. Sakura if you don't mind where did you find these?
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It really pays to know Japanese. :-D

Read them all, and this is what it's about.

As others may have noticed, the toon is a little dated.

This comic seems to be a pamphlet for a particular doctor's office. In Japan, there are many such "clinics" aimed at male clientele. In the past, and still today, circumcision is seen as a solution for phimosis. (Known as "hokei" [包茎] in Japanese.) You'll still see ads for these "clinics" announcing their "services" to a vulnerable male audience.

As you can see, it is showing examples of an unhappy penis whose foreskin cannot retract when erect. After the surgery, however, the penis is "happy" because the head can now see the light of day.

This advertizement is announcing a procedure that won't "stand out" (目立たない), where the scar is "hidden." There are two types, the type where the scar rides up close to the corona, so it doesn't "stand out," and the type where the scar is near the base of the penis. The idea is that the scar doesn't "stand out" because it's either too close to the corona, or as far down to the base that nobody notices. (Because nobody wants to be seen with an ugly scar, you know?)

So patients can choose from either type.

"Leave your phimosis to Dr. Yoshizawa!", says the comic doctor in the first picture.

You see three series of pictures to your left.

The first is is a "common penis." Or "正常なペニス." (seijo na penisu)

It's hard to read, and I can barely make it out, but it says "the head of the penis usually protrudes." Perhaps this might be normal for Japanese. Or, perhaps, a false "normal" that was introduced to sell this "service."

The second is called "false phimosis," or "仮性包茎." (kasei hokei)

It reads, "the head of the penis is covered, but becomes uncovered upon erection."

The last series is called "true phimosis." Or, "真性包茎." (shinsei hokei)

"The head of the penis is covered, and does not become uncovered during erection."

The picture in the middle says "a typical circumcision procedure." Or, "一般的な包茎手術." (Ippan-teki na hokei shujutsu.) (This is literally translated as "a common phimosis operation," which indicates that circumcision is usually only performed as a measure for phimosis, real or perceived.)

This one's hard to make out so I can't read it. But I think it says something like "in a common circumcision, there is an ugly scar left over in the middle of the shaft."

In walks the doctor saying "I can perform an exceptional job, hiding your circumcision scar for you, up close to the corona, or down close to the shaft."

(Well, not exactly in those words, but that's the idea.)

2nd Photo

The doc offers a penile lengthening procedure. It's very hard to read the text.

It shows three types of "small penises."

Penis A (from right to left) "I'm big enough."

Caption: "In actuality, this penis is small."

Penis B (I think it reads, [too small and blurry to read]) "This penis' shaft is buried in the body.)

Penis C Fat makes the penis looks small. (I think...)

The doctor seems to say "This is where my expertise comes in. Leave it to me!"

(Really doc?)

3rd Photo

A little scary. It says:

"Childhood Phimosis"

"From the age of 6 on, a child can have the procedure done and he can go home immediately."

Lower set of pictures, from right to left:

(I can barely make it out...)

"A phimosed penis will restrict the growth of the glans. However, if you perform the operation in childhood, by the time the child is 18, the head will have grown, giving it a bigger appearance."

This comic must have been written before Japanese studies showed that "phimosis" is normal in childhood.

See an article on the retraction of the foreskin here:
http://intactipedia.org/index.php?ti...f_the_foreskin

And obviously, the whole glans thing is a crock. Perhaps the doc was appealing to parents who wanted to give their child more prowess.

4th Photos

This doctor offers men the option of getting silicone balls implanted in their penis.

Again, offering a man more for his tackle box.

5th photo

"Pipe Cut"

In reference to a vasectomy.

Needs no explanation.

Joseph sez...
I currently live in Japan as an English teacher, so I can give my own insight.

Circumcision ads are very common in Japan, but they usually offer circumcision as a solution to phimosis, real or perceived, or in the context of "male enhancement." You'll often find these in male oriented books such as older boys' comics, or girlie magazines. You'll see these ads right next to other "male enhancement" ads, such as pumps, pills and other surgical operations that will make you "better in bed." (You saw the "lengthening," and the silicone implants... some clinics claim to be able to make the head of the penis look bigger... I wonder how...)

Some clinics offer "help" to growing boys, and actually offer pretty good advice. On their websites they'll tell you that if you have "false phimosis," you don't need surgery, and they also offer ways to help without surgery. They will say that if you have "true phimosis," that the best thing for you is surgery. Obviously, not always true, but hey. Clinics need to make their money somewhere.

If you live in Japan, and you have Japanese friends, at some point you'll be invited to go out to a bathhouse or hot springs. (銭湯 [sento] and 温泉 [onsen] respectively) The Japanese don't have qualms with nakedness, and thus you can see everything clearly, and people don't seem to mind. From my experience, circumcision tends to be much more common in the older generation, and less common, if even present in the younger generation. My guess is that perhaps many of the older generation was circumcised in childhood because they were diagnosed with "childhood phimosis" as indicated above. The younger generations tend to be all intact, with some exceptions (Phimosis diagnosis perhaps? Or perhaps some poor dude whose parents were duped into an operation?). From what I can see in the bathhouse, children are NEVER circumcised.

There is also a phenomenon that can be observed; the older generation has this custom of rolling back their foreskin in the bathhouse. I remember thinking my landlord may have been circumcised (he and I are good friends, and he invites me whenever he goes out with his buddies), but then one time I caught him with his foreskin down, and he had quite a lot of overhang. With a single motion his foreskin was tucked behind the head of his penis, and he looked circumcised. So then, some men may look circumcised, when they're actually not. In my experience, younger guys tend not to do this; most younger guys leave their foreskins down and don't care.

Japan is a mixture of different cultures, old and new. I wonder if this foreskin rolling phenomenon is old, or if it's new, created when foreigners tried to import circumcision into the country... I wonder if the idea of "childhood phimosis" existed before the West tried to bring in circumcision, or if it was invented afterwards...

I've asked a lot of people about circumcision in adulthood and childhood; my landlord, a few friends and acquaintances, and actually, random people I've met, and they all tell me the same thing. No one really gets circumcised unless they really need to, or if they want to out of style. Children are never circumcised. The people I've asked tell me the idea of circumcising newborns is so foreign that it's not even an option at Japanese hospitals.

One time, I went with a Japanese friend to a baby ware expo they held in my area (she was pregnant, and she asked if I could come along, so I did). There were many booths here and there for many things. Pampers was there, along with Toys R Us (yep, they're here in Japan), various name brand stroller manufacturers etc. There were some booths that offered advice on basic child care, such as bathing, breastfeeding, hygiene etc... I know I shouldn't have been afraid to find some sort of booth pushing RIC, but I somehow was. I was very relieved to stroll around the grounds, and not have found a single cutter in sight. No doubt Japanese parents would be HORRIFIED to see something like that here.

The word for "phimosis" (包茎 hokei) in Japanese is ambiguous. It can mean one of three things;

1. A penis whose foreskin cannot retract the way a normal penis can. (So called, "true phimosis.")

2. A penis who's foreskin does retract, but which still covers the head of the penis. (So-called "false phimosis." Essentially, the Chinese characters for "hokei" are "wrapped stalk.")

3. A penis which isn't circumcised.

In other words, the word for "phimosis" can refer to a penis with a foreskin, whether or not it is suffering a muzzled condition. Thus, in Japanese, when a man says he has "hokei," it doesn't necessarily mean that he has a problem. If somebody says s/he prefers somebody that is not "hokei," it doesn't mean that s/he prefers somebody that is circumcised; rather, that person usually means s/he prefers it if his/her partner's foreskin can retract normally. (i.e. doesn't have "true phimosis") My guess is that there are many Japanese men who got circumcised who didn't need the procedure, but may have been duped by a greedy doctor trying to make a buck.

Though circumcision is rare here, it appears the Japanese are about as in-the-dark about phimosis and the normal intact penis as are Americans, and both countries could benefit from an overhaul to their medical curricula.

The word "phimosis"

The Greek word "phimosis" actually refers to a specific condition. It actually refers to a stricture in the foreskin in the penis WHEN AND IF it is caused by Balanitis Xerotica Obliterans (BXO). In this one specific case, some doctors recommend circumcision to alleviate the problem, however others claim to know how to cure it without surgery. If the foreskin is simply narrow and does not allow the glans penis to pass through, the narrowing is called "preputial stenosis," and can usually be remedied without surgery.

Read more on the word "phimosis," what it meant in antiquity, what it came to mean during the circumcision years, and what it technically refers to today.

http://www.cirp.org/library/history/hodges1/
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I think they cut all the inner skin and they make a scar just next to the glans
so they remove all the sensible tissue to hide scars ! oh my god are they serious ?
Bear in mind that in English "sensible" and "sensitive" have different meanings. Sensible means demonstrating good sense, such as logical or ethical. It has nothing to do with feeling sensations. Sensitive means perceiving sensation.

The French and Spanish word for sensitive is "sensible", so perhaps that's where the confusion comes from.
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