Someday, I'm going to be a parent. When I am, I want to be ready.

[Cresaiyan]

Hey.
Like I said, ive actually had nightmares about failing to protect my son from this. I know it seems premature for someone my age to be worrying about this, but I would rather die than allow my son to be mutilated. If its ok, I have several questions regarding protection from genital mutilation.

1. I need to know the laws in the US regarding "consent" for circumcision. Is it true that only ONE parent need consent?? That's horrible if my wife and I disaggree... I don't want her to be able to have him mutilated behind my back. There would probably be bloodshed from my rage.

2. Are these laws the same in all 50 states?

3. How can I make absolutely sure the hospital gets SUED if they have a "logisticle mix-up" and circumcise him anyway. I do not believe they are incapable of this behavior.

4. I have NO TRUST in doctors. Can I stay at the bedside of my newborn until he comes home?

5. I want to make these bastards sign a form prohibiting circumcision of my child. Ill pull that on them when they show me their blasted consent form that I have no right to sign. If I video them signing it, will it be enough to scare them with legal action if they fail to obey it?

I don't trust our medical system, and I am going to be so strikingly adamant about this, they'll know they're under oath to obey that hipocratic oath they disregard so much. This is one pissed off soon to be Dad.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Cresaiyan

1. I need to know the laws in the US regarding "consent" for circumcision. Is it true that only ONE parent need consent?? That's horrible if my wife and I disaggree... I don't want her to be able to have him mutilated behind my back. There would probably be bloodshed from my rage.

That would be horrible if the mother of your kid was able to get him mutilated against your wishes. If there are two parents, it should be joint decision. Whatever your wife-to-be, make sure she knows how passionate you are about it. If she tries to make light of it, especially living in a circumcising culture, time to leave that sexist idiot.

[Appalled Observer]

What about Canada? Do they have a similar culture about chopping? If not, go there.
I wouldn't trust anyone in the US healthcare system to not trump up a reason to cut your kid. It'll be full of angry people, irritated that you don't want him cut, and maybe taking offence at it. And maybe doing it by "mistake" to teach you a lesson. I'm not joking.

In my experience, the more you make it plain you don't trust dysfunctional people of position, the more likely they are to try to teach you a lesson for your distrust.

Don't have a kid in the US.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Appalled Observer

What about Canada? Do they have a similar culture about chopping? If not, go there.
I wouldn't trust anyone in the US healthcare system to not trump up a reason to cut your kid. It'll be full of angry people, irritated that you don't want him cut, and maybe taking offence at it. And maybe doing it by "mistake" to teach you a lesson. I'm not joking.

In my experience, the more you make it plain you don't trust dysfunctional people of position, the more likely they are to try to teach you a lesson for your distrust.

Don't have a kid in the US.

Agreed! If it's getting close to delivery, take trip to Canada or Acapulco. Don't ever let your kid out of your sight in a hospital. Too many of those quacks feel they know what's best for your child despite your objections. So called, "mistakes" happen a lot and I've heard of staff threatening not to let the child leave the hospital until they can mutilate him. And watch out for DCF!!!! It's only a matter of time till those worthless fucks get involved.

[jv041589]

I have contemplated the exact same things as you have, Cresaiyan. I too worry about that happening but I've come to a point that I don't worry about it. First of all, my girlfriend (whom is COMPLETELY against genital cutting is also an intactivist) and I have discussed this many times, and if we have a son she and I agree that there is no way that we'd allow our son to be cut. She has even sworn that if the hospital even dares to go against her wishes for her children, there will be dire consequences and a lawsuit will be upon their shoulders as certain as the sun rises. She says that she'd like the doctors, nurses, the hospital to even attempt it, just so that they can see what will happen. I am the same way as she, so for me there is no worry about us having different views on the topic. Also, I have made it clear that when our children are born, I will never leave the children no matter what. I swear that I will always be in their presence when they are born and they will never leave my sight.

Now to answer some of your questions, I am not sure if one parent has the right to consent so I'd suggest discuss it with your spouse during the pregnancy (or better when you date) and educate her about it. The sources are endless and they all say the same thing!
I think that there must be signatures for everyting in hospitals to make any sort of decision, plus if you make it perfectly clear to all who aid in delivering your son, there should be no question about anything being done agaisnt your wishes. I too, would consider making all involved to sign a promise and film them stating that promise that they will not cut our son!

As adamant as you are towards the integrity of your future son's genitals, I don't think you have too much to worry about.

[slickskin]

Cresaiyan, these will all be valid concerns once your wife is pregnant with your child but I think all of this worrying is irrational for the time.

I don't blame anybody for not trusting doctors and conventional American healthcare--I don't either. I favor alternative medicine.

[Cresaiyan]

Far from worry

I am simply gathering a small amount of information for the time being, nothing more.
I have heard too many stories about mutilation occurring due to a "mental technicallity", and there is a wealth of knowledge for me to tap from parents who have had tremendous experience in this area already.

I am exploring my options.

[Cajoboy]

Cres:

Your fear is well grounded due to the fact that should some kind of mix up happen, you cannot reverse what they did, most of us here know that. I even had some lucid dreams of going under the knife for some kind of surgery and Dr. Butcher later saying that since I had a lot of extra foreskin, he took care of it while he was doing the other. Terrifying. I know this sounds stupid and illogical, but it represents the fear of being put under to where you are 100% defenseless, similar to a newborn.

Let's not get too carried away though. I'm sure hospitals aren't filled with trolls around every corner waiting to cut you dick off. They have babies come and go all the time and hopefully really want them to be healthy.

I would recommend two things:

#1 there might be some small box on a form that designates whether the parent (not the victim) wants to mutilate their child or not. I would write or make the doctor and nurse write in felt tip pen from one side to the other that this child is not to be circumcised (sounds like a harmless word doesn't it?) under any circumstance.

#2 Since you are the parent you simply tell them that you will be with your boy at all times. And I mean it, every step of the way. What is giving up a day or two for your kid?. It will protect him and you will learn a lot about the goings on in a hospital. If you get looked at funny or something for being in a room where most parents are not, screw them, you will never see these people again.

[Cresaiyan]

Thanks

I realize that I came off as sounding a little irrational in that first post. My emotional state was interfering with my cognitive perception and communication. I am not panicked, far from it.


I am simply on a quest for information.

[Purist]

Originally Posted by Cresaiyan

That's horrible if my wife and I disaggree... I don't want her to be able to have him mutilated behind my back. There would probably be bloodshed from my rage.

It's my perception that the majority of women will defer to whatever the husband decides, since "he's the one with the penis".

From my understanding, couples who disagree are usually the mother who doesn't want circumcision, and it's the husband who is adamant (because of his subconscious anxiety) who goes behind the wife's back.

If she happens to be one of those women who is "adamant about circumcising her son" who would go behind your back then she's a piece-of-work ballbusting NUTCASE, whom you had NO business being with in the first place (if you value your long-term happiness).

And this is something you'll want to know WAY before getting to the stage you're contemplating.