Need definition for ave. 1 inch growth per year

[RobertW]

Originally Posted by admin

hi im in uk w bad keyboard
i meausre erect, forcing skin over glans as far as it will comfortably go. an inch of coverage is two inches of skin.
-ron

Ron, I'm still stumped so let me totally re frame my question from the general to the specific. On the Stern show, you answered that people can restore about an inch per year, and you needed about 4 inches, so it took you about four years to restore. Did you mean:

• you needed 4 inches of linear skin to be grown, which would appear as 2 inches of double-folded foreskin, or
• you needed 4 inches of foreskin, implying 8 inches of linear skin needed to be grown.

Which of these bullets did you accomplish? From your specific answer, I can get to my general answer. And I know mileage will vary, I just want to know what has been proven to have happened in your case so I can close the issue in my own mind.
Thanks!

[1Taoist]

Lets keep in mind all this is relative to your size. If you've got a 4 in cock, 8 inches of skin folded in half is just gonna look like...I dunno what. I'm guessing Ron means 4 in total skin surface, which may NOT lay perfectly divided. Depends on rollover point, too. An inch of skin a year seems like a good estimate of mitosis, but then again that depends on method, regimine, etc. I doubt anybody needs 8 in of new skin (that would make your cock look like it was melting), but hey- maybe some new advantages to that: if you don't feel like knowin who's givin you head you can just throw the sheet over their head. :-)

[Distalero]

8 inches, for sure.

I needed about 6 to 6.5 myself, so 8 isn't that far away from accounting for individual variation and the intended goal itself. It surprises most guys to learn that they need the numbers quoted above. You can tell where they probably are in the process by their reaction to the real amount needed. 6 inches: do you think I did that in 18 months? 3 years? I don't think telling somebody that it will take 18 months to reach their goal is supportive; it's stupid, unless the person already has most of a foreskin to begin with.

Now you know what I, and a few others, mean by saying ad nauseum that more tissue is needed than beginners realize. 8 inches, absolutely, if you are a grower with a tight cut. You need to have enough skin tube to allow for reliable coverage of a changing length and girth. This is why staying with it, month after month, year after year, is the only way you'll see something close to what you want.

The other thing to point out is that 8 inches will only show it's length as 4 inches. How many comprehend this? You don't see 8 inches in length, you see 4 because when the tube is rolled out it covers 4 inches of structure. Even if it's pinched up vertically, you will see 4 inches on one side of the triangle and 4 on the other side (well, actually you'll see less if you pinch equally around the shaft, but I don't want to further confuse folks ). I know that many of you have trouble seeing this aspect, but this is actually a phenomenon of that triangular circumferential pinch I've talked about before. You don't have to worry about tugging "wide" because you are actually tugging "long", you can ONLY tug long, BECAUSE it's a double fold of tube.

[chobbs]

Isn't the double fold only from the corona to the tip of the foreskin? I don't think it would be double up all along the shaft. So 8" will be a bit more than 4" in foreskin me thinks (as I will illustrate in a moment). I still agree that a lot more is needed than most people realize though.

My calculations I did long ago when trying to figure out how much I needed are as follows ... I estimated that I needed 287mm (11.3") of stretched skin total. My relaxed skin length is 70% of my stretched skin length, which puts me at ~200mm (7.9") of skin. This is really close to the 8" that has been mentioned.

The breakdown for my estimate was 210mm of outer skin and 77mm of inner skin - non stretched this would be 147mm (5.7") and 54mm (2.1"). This will get me full coverage at my heavy hang of 130mm (5.1") and give me 17mm (.66") of overhang ... which should be enough to close down over the glans at that size.

I started with crazy tight erections, which discounting glans and pubic/scrotal tug (that I had even while flaccid) was about 70mm of stretched skin. Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less ... when skin is being borrowed it is hard to be accurate. In any case, it was around that amount and I am currently measuring about 150mm total skin (I have full coverage up to 75mm - so I used my stretch factor on that amount and also accounted for glans length to determine the length of the inner fold which also got the factor applied).

So, in my case, after almost 3 years I have gained roughly 80mm of skin which would be 56mm non-stretched ... that is only 2.2" of new skin total. Far from the 1" a year of foreskin (2" of total skin) number. It is possible my numbers are a bit off as measuring is difficult, but no matter how I look at it the 2" a year of new skin is nowhere near what I am getting.

Presuming an even distribution (which it wasn't) across the three years I have been at this, I get about 27mm a year of stretched skin length. Thus I am looking at another 5 years or thereabouts ... it feels like a prison sentence. One that looks even bleaker if my progress from this last year continues --- a year ago I had full coverage at 65mm ... as I now have full coverage at 75mm I gained a whopping 10mm of new skin from an entire year of tugging. At that rate it would take me over 13 years to reach completion.*sigh* If only I could reach that magical "average" I would be a happy camper.

- Chris

[1Taoist]

Let me just bow out of this one cuz you guys are way ahead. It's obvious that there is quite a bit of calculus to this work, and I'll leave that to you. What exactly is the formula for figuring out the triangular skin necessity?

[Distalero]

The thing is, you need enough tube to take up changes in girth and length of what is usually called the flaccid penis. In my case, if it's cold, or I've done some heavy exercise, or whatever, then that flaccidity is pretty much a certain length and girth, but warmer, and during the unconscious changes of penis length and girth, along with the more conscious changes , more tube is used. In addition, while I'm not quite there yet, I find I need more tube just to keep what's there currently from rolling back some. In other words, enough length and volume to counteract any influence that would cause a roll back.

Does it start at the corona? Mine begins a bit proximal from there, but close. So to the eye, while looking at the flaccid penis, it looks like only a few inches or so at most that you have to grow, but in actuality you have to grow much more to go up over the corona, and down over and beyond the glans, and continue farther out to begin that counteraction, while allowing for changes in size.

I don't think there really is anything like a universal formula, and I suspect there isn't a personal formula either, because of all the variables that affect growth.

[chobbs]

I'll give you the corona height allotment ... I don't have much of a ridge so my estimate is probably reasonably close for me. And my glans is smaller than my shaft so I don't need any extra girth to get around it either ... small victories I guess. Thinking a bit more about it, my shaft was initially much skinner then it is now so perhaps there was some growth in there that wasn't accounted for by my coverage based length. Still quite a ways from average, but it cheers me up a bit.

1Taoist, I don't bother with calculating the surface area required. I just wanted an estimate of how much skin I needed so I could track my progress and so that I had a good picture in my mind of where I wanted to end up. So I just use a tube length measurement and call it good. Measuring along the way has become a bitch - especially as the circ scar fades, and trying insanely to be consistent still leaves plenty of room for error. But I have a good general idea and that was all I really wanted.

To figure out how much skin you will need just take a measurement at the length you wish to cover, add the length of the glans (on the top side) to that first number and then if you want your glans covered just account for how far past your glans you would need to go to get closure. This should give you a good ballpark number. Then perhaps add an extra inch if you have a skinny shaft or tall corona and you should be pretty good with an estimate.

I wouldn't bother with the stretched amounts unless you want to try tracking progress. I found measuring stretched made the most sense because it eliminated a variable. I also found my skin consistently stretched to the same length and calculated how much less my relaxed measurements were to get a "stretch factor". I just enjoy that kind of thing, it isn't necessary in any way.

- Chris

[1Taoist]

Before I digest all of that (and thank you) I have another question: what is the approximate amount of skin TAKEN during adult circ?

Just hit me to ask.

[Distalero]

The answer to that is an average, of course. The usual quote is about 15 square inches.

You know, I was conventionally misleading in the post above, but nobody would ever notice. Does my tube begin just proximal to where the old scar line was? Well, yes, if you accept the conventional way of looking at it, but actually it STOPS there. If you roll the tube forward then shaft skin stops at the point where mucosa begins, if you have any old inner mucosa left, but you have to define the term 'stop'. If it didn't you wouldn't HAVE a tube. The fact that it stops there creates the anchored point that allows the skin to begin to double over and roll out in a tube shape.

What we all do, if we stay with it over time, is grow more and more, and consequently longer and longer shaft skin which becomes all bunched up on the shaft. If you roll that shaft skin back toward the pubis you get a big lump close to the base of the shaft. If you roll it forward, you get a skin tube. So can you see that the tube that normally covers the shaft stops at the scar line? In other words, your skin is continuous, down your belly let's say, and out along your shaft, but it stops at the scar line. The double fold begins at the scar line because skin stops at the scar line.

How's that for a Distalero observation

[greg_b]

Another often quoted way to measure it is that circumcison removes over half the skin, and most of the mucosa.

So if you look at your penis, then imagine twice as much skin, and estimate how much mucosa would have been under that skin covering the glans, you will have a sense that may be easier to think about than numbers of millimeters or inches.

Of ocurse, any of theses estimates are full of uncertainty, especially with RIC, because the operation is so ill defined and hard to do on an infant's penis, that there is wide variation on the reslut when an adult in terms of how much inner and how much outer skin was taken.

Regards