Need definition for ave. 1 inch growth per year

[Bitmore]

So, if the average of 15 sq. inches of loss is correct, then in my case:

Flaccid circumference = 4.625", 15 / 4.625 = 3.25" skin length, or ~1.6" folded tube.

Assuming this is the unstretched gain in tube length, that's would easily be enough to cover my glans. At 1”/year, this should take 3 to 3.5 years. Sound believable.

The proposed 4" tube with my 4.625 circumference equals 18.5 sq. inches of skin that would need to be replaced. As said above, this extra skin may be necessary because of the missing frenar band that retains the intact foreskin in place.

The really bad news here is that I may need to change my name :>

-Bitmore

[Tally]

When erect, I need about 2 inches of skin to get rid of my turtle neck. Then, measuring from my circ scar and following the surface, I need 2-1/2 inches to get to the tip of the glans. Add 1 inch for overhang. For the inner foreskin, I need 1 inch to get to the glans and another 1-1/2 inch to reach to where my starting inner foreskin covers the corona. That is 8 inches. Add another 1 inch for natural folds and slack for a total of 9 inches of skin that I need from my starting point. Fortunately, I was cut loose, starting at CI-3.

If I had only started 52 years ago, I would be done by now.

[admin]

Originally Posted by RobertW

[*]you needed 4 inches of linear skin to be grown, which would appear as 2 inches of double-folded foreskin

Sorry for the confusion.

An inch of skin is an inch of skin. An inch of coverage is an inch of coverage.

If today I can force skin over all but .75" of my glans, and in one year I can force skin over all but .25" of my glans, I have grown one inch of new skin.

-Ron

[Distalero]

Well, there's that word "force" again. I'm not sure what you mean by this. If by force you are saying that you are putting tension on it, then surely you know that this wouldn't be any sort of accurate measuring; an a very poor rough measurment. Skin is elastic so any tension on it will pull it beyond it's normal resting state.

In other words you can produce a number of different spans of skin, depending on how much tension you apply. It's the normal resting state that well all have to shoot for, no matter what the goal is otherwise. If you don't have enough skin at a normal resting state, to cover beyond the glans and to counterbalance the backwards pull, then you won't have reliable coverage. SOME coverage, some of the time (a good part of the time, even), certainly. I experienced this at about 3 years, but 'reliable' is the pivotal word in all this. You need much more, or I did, anyhow, to cover reliably, and I still experience some partial roll back to this day.

Can someone define "force"?

[RobertW]

Originally Posted by admin

An inch of skin is an inch of skin. An inch of coverage is an inch of coverage.

Yes, now we're getting there. In your own personal restoration, did you achieve 4 inches of skin, or 4 inches of coverage, during that 4 year span?

[greg_b]

Force: any influence which tends to change the motion of an object.

Sorry, couldn't help it....

[Distalero]

In which case, I too have applied force, by changing the motion of my hand. And all this time I thought it was called "feel good"

[1Taoist]

Now we're gettin into an area I'm into.

Force is the product of two opposing conditions: mass and acceleration. Stretch comes from acceleration approaching the point of overcoming mass, but not quite. As the qotient of force increases and draws closer to it's critical point, one must overcome the other lest both fail. Acceleration cannot occur without some resistance. Force is by definition any deviation (change) from a constant.

In our case, force is gentle in order to stimulate growth but not damage tissue. The state Distalero is referring to is the static, or resting state, of skin. Skin under any state of force (change) does not qualify as "skin" per say, in it's natural state. It qualifies as stretched skin.

As Distalero pointed out, the natural state can even vary due to internal conditions of expansion and contraction. It is therefore difficult to accurately measure skin except temporarily. Skin will stretch less/more due to internal factors as well as external (moisture factors, but also mind/body factors- sometimes the skin can tighten and relax according to mental and emotional states, which is shown thru the science of bio-feedback).

In our case, the sad part is, once again, the absence of frenar and frenulum. These are the static conditions that allow for DYNAMIC skin to snap back into a normal state independent of the fluctuations of skin itself.

It seems to me a surgical reconstruction of a frenulum should be possible and would be the final nail in this boat. Why this isnt done is of question. Without it, there is still a leak. I should say it's really a boat without a sail.

Like Diatalero said, he still doesn't get coverage sometimes.

Any force used to measure skin isn't probably accurate for anything other than potential expansion, which I'm not sure why that knowlege would be relevant other than to estimate erect coverage. But we were talking about flaccid coverage. Perhaps the use of force in order to quantify skin is doing so at it's critical point, as a baseline. But how do you differentiate between an extended critical point that is stretch-induced, and actual increase in skin mass, when that mass is under-going stretch? Perhaps I'm complicating this, but I think Distalero is addressing the natural resting condition as a baseline, rather than any forced state as one.

[1Taoist]

another factor is indeed the expansion and contraction of the penile tissue within and without the body. Now these are minor deviations, as are actual fluctuations in skin itself, but the frenulum and frenar are minor structures that make it all work. While the stretched state under force has a limited capacity for change, skin under NO FORCE actually has a wider capacity.

And I've said this before...growth of skin MUST be moderated by efforts to maintain some elasticity, lest the penis just be swallowed up in mass. Tissue itself can be developed without care for function, but that is just flaccid tissue. Distalero- you said something that has stuck with me...this is an art. The art isn't just covering the canvas with enough paint.

This is a tough problem: the more elastic and sensitive tissue is- the more it will fluctuate and bunch up. The less elastic and sensitive, the less it will. Frenulum and frenar make up for this. It saddens me that we are thwarted from our goal on either front without them.

[admin]

Originally Posted by Distalero

Can someone define "force"?

HEY! Do you think flaccid slack is a more repeatable quantity to meaure? I don't.

To "force" for my purpose means pull your skin as far forward as you can without hurting yourself. You could easily devise a force gauge. My hand is accurate enough for me.

-Ron