I need advise on a good way to challenge ANTI-male-foreskin females.

[Lovehim]

I think it is disgusting that some females I know display disgust towards the male foreskin. To me, that is sick and WRONG, (and a Fetish). They seem to have this view that the "normal" penis is circumcised, to them foreskins are NOT NORMAL.

To them, true, normal, healthy, intact penis's are therefore gross, dirty etc you get my drift.

They tend to act some what like this "OMG A FORESKIN GET IT AWAY FROM ME, sick!!"

They seem to talk about the male foreskin like it is useless, dirty etc. They clearly have no idea about the male anatomy. I find it interesting actually, they have huge hang up's about normal male penis's, yet they are INTACT.

I challenge them about their "point of view", I try to argue that, females are just as "dirty" as an intact male. I normally ask them what they think of female circumcision to which they say "it is horrible" then I say "well it is like male circumcision", they always disagree. I let them know they have hang up's about normal healthy functional tissue, and need help.

I try to talk to them about the foreskin explaining several of it's functions. Sometimes they change their mind, other times they continue to think the same and can't male the "connection's". What scares me the most is the fact they may have have children one day, they may have a son and circumcise him.

What is a good way to challenge females like this?

[Tally]

I don't understand this. Maybe it is because I have no experience with intact guys.

When most women first see my penis, it is erect. It is my understanding that most intact guys partially or fully retract when erect. Except for those few guys with massive overhang when erect, there is very little difference in appearance between a cut and an intact penis when erect, particularly if the intact guy pulls his foreskin so that it is behind the corona. This is how it looks to me when I see pictures of intact erections.

I guess what I don't understand is how women get this idea that the foreskin is disgusting. Maybe the answer to how to overcome women's perception is to find out where that perception comes from. Maybe a non-confrontational way of overcoming this perception is to ask them why they think a foreskin is not normal or when/where they first got the idea that foreskin was not normal.

[greg_b]

one way might be to point them to the book Sex as Nature Intended, and the web site by the author:

http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/

Another good resource is Doctors Opposing Circumcision, because it is by doctors, includes references from peer reviewed journals, and covers the legal and moral arguments well. It can be found here:

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/

Beyond that, it really depends on the person and the context of the discussion, in my mind.

Great to have you participating, by the way.

Regards

[cloud7]

you could challenge them to think about their own foreskin aka the clitoral hood. would they prefer it not be there? or the very definition of smegma is that it exists in both the male foreskin and female labias, so if circumcision is necessary to make it clean then it must be true for females as well

[Joseph]

You can show them this:

[admin]

Originally Posted by Lovehim

What is a good way to challenge females like this?

Yeah, what would be their opinion of males who expressed the same sentiments about a clitoris with a hood?

-Ron

[greg_b]

Nice photo and message Joseph!

Cheers!

[DPX1]

You could show them a video of the procedure, complete with screaming and ask them just how right that is.

You could also give them the analogy that it functions like (and is just about as dirty as) an eyelid. I've used that one before.

Pro-circ women make me so enraged it actually scares me. I once poured my heart out to a (female) friend of mine about my issues with being chopped up at birth, and she said 'aww, but it's ok, because chicks prefer it'. I was shaking with rage and it took a lot of effort to contain myself. I knew she was just ignorant and meant well, but something within me wanted desperately to grab her by the throat and scream "YOU SMALL MINDED BITCH! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF SOMEBODY STRAPPED YOU DOWN AND VIOLATED YOU TOO?". This was one of my close friends, too. That's the worst part of this whole thing for me. Not only has it put scars on my body, but stains on my soul as well.

I talked about it rationally to her and I actually changed her mind on the issue, but just hearing someone try to pass these procedures off as a "good thing" that we can't to do girls but we can do to little boys for some reason makes me livid. Nothing's ever made me as angry or given me such ugly thoughts.

I really hope restoring will make these feelings go away a little.

[Quark]

Maybe you could ask them if they prefer a regular condom or a ribbed condom and ask them to explain the difference. You could then say that a foreskin is even better than that ribbed condom. Also about how much more comfortable it would be for her.

Perhaps appealing to their own sensations as well as the reasons posted above, you may change their mind.

[admin]

If they're actually expecting, you gotta hit 'em with both barrels:
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I want you to understand something.

Foreskin feels REALLY good. It's HIS body, and morally HIS decision.

95% of the non-Muslim world does not circumcise. The Catholic church officially forbids it. The New Testament makes plain in like dozens of places (e.g. Romans 2:29, Romans 3:30, Acts 15:10, I Corinthians 7:18, Galatians 5:6, Galatians 5:2, Galatians 6:15, Philippians 3:2, Colossians 2:12, Matthew 9:12) that circumcision is NOT part of Christianity.

Since no national medical association on earth endorses routine circumcision, it is cosmetic surgery. Just because you live in the last country that still cuts a majority (57% and falling) of infants for non-religious reasons, doesn't mean you have to do this horrid thing to him. In California and Western states, over 3/4 of infants are left intact today.

Every place they used to circumcise where they have largely stopped (e.g. Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand) they have had NO outbreak of penis problems. So many places NEVER got caught up in this (Germany, Finland, Sweden, Italy, Brazil, China, Russia, Argentina, Japan) and they're doing fine as well.

In Finland and Sweden with almost no circumcision, they have lower rates of penile cancer than we have in the US. Most of the US men who have died of AIDS were circumcised at birth. Circumcision does not prevent AIDS. There is now a vaccine for HPV in case somebody had convinced you that every intact male is some kind of carrier.

Your child has a basic human right to enjoy the body nature evolved for him. Every mammal on earth evolved a foreskin before there was surgery, or soap, or even running water. The natural penis is as self-cleaning as the vagina. If someone wants to be cleaner than is natural, that's when you break out the soap. (Although until the child can retract his OWN foreskin, there is absolutely no reason for it to be retracted according to the AAP).

Surgery in infancy is THE WORST time. The foreskin is still fused to the glans like fingernails to a nail bed. Tearing it away often causes pits and gouges to the glans. (Google Circumcision damage to see the gory details). Everything is so tiny, any small error is magnified as the child grows. The doctor has no idea how the child will grow or how much slack skin he will need or want. He also has no idea how stretched out his skin is at the time of the surgery (there may be shrinkage due to a cold operating theater, or there could be erection due to the handling of the organ, the doctor doesn't know the whole range of states of that person's anatomy). Healing in diapers leads to infections and ugly skin bridges regardless of the surgeon's skill, and the child can't communicate if something doesn't feel just right about the healing process. Plus of course he can't tolerate a proper level of pain relief for the procedure or for healing like an older person can.

But there's no reason to think he'll need cut later. Only a third of one percent of men who make it to adulthood intact choose to get circumcised for any reason.

How many men who are disgusted with the fact that an awesome pleasure receptive part of their body was stolen are you willing to dismiss? A guy who says "I'm cut and sex is just fine" is no authority. That's like asking a man with one ear if stereo is better than mono. I know it must seem impossible, but the foreskin is the BEST part of the penis, with over half the sensual nerve endings. Without the foreskin, the glans gets numbed, and the exquisite natural frictionless rolling/gliding mode of stimulation is lost. There is no right time to violate someone's human rights.

Leave him perfect, leave him intact.

-Ron