Vitamins and other questions

[admin]

FYI, on Thursday I was listening to DoctorRadio on Sirius and it was dermatology hour.

So I called the dermatologists and got through with this question:

"My questions is about tensile skin expansion. Is there anything I can do to maximize the rate of skin growth, or anything I should be avoiding that might hamper the growth?"

So both doctors got befuddled and said "what do you mean?"

I said: "I'm tensioning my foreskin so it will grow longer, because I was circumcised at birth."

The guy said you've got me stumped I've never heard of that, and the woman said that's a urology question.

I said: "A urologist isn't an expert on skin?" but they had cut my audio (which I know because after they hung up on me I listened to the prior 30 seconds of the show on delay over my radio.

Even if you can't listen to Sirius you can call 1-800-NYU DOCS any time and see if they'll hear your question about restoring. They don't answer when there is no live show on. You can see the schedule at http://www.sirius.com/servlet/Conten...=1225228202941 but they don't make it clear which are live and which are replays.

You can also e-mail questions to the whole station - I'll post that address here later.

-Ron

[Distalero]

Originally Posted by Tormod - IRL

The important question (I certainly don't know the answer!) may be:

Exactly what causes skin cells to divide in our situation?

A. Is the direct cause the applied tension? Or
B. Is the direct cause the increased distance between skin cells caused by the tension?

If the answer is B then increasing the elasticity of the skin while under tension would help. If the answer is A then no creams or lotions would help.

Personally, I use some cocoa butter on the skin while it is under tension. It helps to prevent stretch marks on my skin.

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A and B are the same for all intents and purposes.

But you aren't grasping the fact that there has to be some tension to stimulate the process. There is LESS or NO tension on the tissue if there is some sort of built in give to the tissue. Seems simple to me.

Don't confuse so-called elasticity with torsion of the basal layer cell bodies. That torsion (a theory, folks) comes about by the application of TENSION applied to the tissue, not by the tissue just hanging there, "all elastic", with no force acting as a stimulus applied to it. All taped up and nowhere to go.

Elasticity, or built in give, is a dampening factor in the process, not an aid to the stimulating factor, which is tension. This is one reason why cycles are the optimum application of that stimulus.

And while we're on the subject, tension is very much the same as using your heels to get the horse to go. When the horse does finally decide to go, your heels are NOT helping anything in, or are a part of, the horse running. Your heels just acted as a stimulus. The horse slows down again, comes to a stop, and you need to give him your heels again. This, good people, is a cycle. The horse is the accelerated process of cell division. But only when your skin (horse) decides it wants to go.

See?

[Tormod - IRL]

Hi Distalero - thank you for the reply.

Quote: But you aren't grasping the fact that there has to be some tension to stimulate the process.
I assure you that I am fully aware that tension (externally applied tension) is a pre-requisite for skin expansion. I am not one of the believers in a "pixie dust" for restoration.

[C_A_L]

Originally Posted by Distalero

How would tissue with MORE elasticity help with restoration, when it's the RESISTANCE to tension (less elasticity), not the increased ability to give under tension, that aids tension to be the stimulus for added cell creation?

You would end up having to INCREASE the tension on more elastic skin just to stimulate it, not the other way around. Pointless. It would be like having a longer rope attached to some object you wanted to pull. You would haul and haul all day, with no actual tension placed on the object until you got to the last few feet.

Just a matter of simple physics in this case (although the actual process is far more complex)

But you get better leverage that way, right?

Vitamin supplements help to stimulate growth. But I'm finding no useful into on this anywhere.

[finman]

Vitamin supplements help to stimulate growth

I do not think so, otherwise we would produce growths from just taking them. Hormones stimulate growth, hence the term 'growth hormone'. Certain vitamins are a necessary component of our food, but do not stimulate growth.

[Distalero]

Originally Posted by C_A_L

But you get better leverage that way, right?

Vitamin supplements help to stimulate growth. But I'm finding no useful into on this anywhere.

There are two kinds of vitamins: fat soluble and water soluble. There is already a post in the thread that reminds us that taking too much of a fat soluble vitamin leads to toxicity (poisoning) because it doesn't go away, it's stored in the fat tissue.

If water soluble vitamins are taken in excess, and by excess I'm referring to anything more than the body needs, then they are excreted; urinated away. There is no practical way to taking more than you need, or some so-called mega dose of water soluble vitamins. Vitamin C is the perfect example. Been promoted for many years as effective in large doses, but anything over what the body recognizes as needed is pissed away, along with the money you spent on it.



So you need to find out about the specific vitamins you are taking, and learn which type they are to stay safe.

Vitamin E applied topically does absolutely nothing. Many studies on this have been done. People still use it topically, but it's a wast of time if you think there is something special about E. There isn't any harm in putting an oil on you dick, and that's all that vitamin E is, used topically, but there isn't anything special about it.

HOWEVER, if you TAKE Vitamin E internally, in large doses, you run the risk of poisoning yourself, as the other member wisely said.


So, do vitamins help skin growth? Sure, but only in the most indirect way. You wouldn't rub food on your penis (I hope), but food helps you live and maintain skin, in exactly the same way that vitamins help. In other words, it's that indirect.

Vitamin K, for instance, you make yourself in your gut, through the bacteria found there. Interesting, isn't it. No vitamin K, and you bleed to death. Just that simple. So vitamins are not like just putting gas in your car's tank. The process becomes just about as complex as the response of mitosis to tension.

Do vitamins bias or "leverage" the process of skin generation in some special way? No, or, said differently, only in the same way that food, or breathing, leverages your body processes.

But people and companies will try to sell you on the idea that they will. It's up to you. Wasting your money is your business. Just don't poison yourself.

[Distalero]

Originally Posted by Tormod - IRL

Hi Distalero - thank you for the reply.

Quote: But you aren't grasping the fact that there has to be some tension to stimulate the process.
I assure you that I am fully aware that tension (externally applied tension) is a pre-requisite for skin expansion. I am not one of the believers in a "pixie dust" for restoration.

Good. Always good to hear that, because one hears so much to the contrary on forums like this.

[finman]

I am fully aware that tension (externally applied tension) is a pre-requisite for skin expansion. I am not one of the believers in a "pixie dust" for restoration

I thought that some restorers have suggested that while the tension is applied, skin expansion proceeds due to that influence, but when the tension is released (the so-called "rest periods") the pixie dust takes over to continue the skin growth

...which is tension. This is one reason why cycles are the optimum application of that stimulus

So put on your TLC Tugger, fit the elastic strap to your ankle and jump on your bicycle. As you turn the pedals the varying tension will produce the optimum stimulus for growth...

[Distalero]

As long as you coast for a bit, it just might

[C_A_L]

Originally Posted by Distalero

Vitamin E applied topically does absolutely nothing. Many studies on this have been done. People still use it topically, but it's a wast of time if you think there is something special about E. There isn't any harm in putting an oil on you dick, and that's all that vitamin E is, used topically, but there isn't anything special about it.

I don't know about that. People I know who have gauged their ears tell me that vitamin E helped them to stimulate tissue expansion a lot quicker than just tensioning alone.