What do you think? (long read)

[KniteShayd]

I became so excited to start tugging when I found out about restoration, I researched it, looked at pics, and got me a Tugger with a lil help from Ron.

Once my tugger came I began tugging right away. I tugged four an hour or 2 almost every chance I got, and sometimes halfway through the night. I started to see some nice gains. Then, I started to see some arising issues.

Let me say that pre-tugging I had a small amount of coverage over the glans when flaccid. Mostly around the coronal ridge. I had enough skin that when erect, using lube for masturbation was optional for me, as I could pull some skin to avoid abrading the glans. I usually just stimulated the ridge instead of gripping the whole head as you can with lube, or a foreskin.

But, after I had been tugging for awhile, I noticed was how the tugging altered my coverage. It seemed as time progressed, during the tug, my skin was slowly sliding back between the grip of the device. Before I go on, let me say, I did tug while clean, and with a clean device. I wanted optimal grip, so i would only thoroughly moisturize the skin after the tug, after i washed up.
My intention, while tugging, was to have the device grip just behind my scar. That way it could pull on the existing shaft skin first and pull the remnants of the inner skin later.
I found that as the skin slipped back, it began pulling the inner skin and a little bit of the scar. There was both a Pro and a Con to this. The Pro was as it pulled the inner skin more forward onto, and around, the head. It was great as it was hugging and tapering around the head perfectly, much like a natural foreskin would be. The Con to it was, the scar began to become distorted and stretch along the length too. I read that some people see the scar start to fade during tugging and stretching, but this concerned me a bit.
My goal was to have the inner skin stay inside. Now my flaccid head coverage is about 1/3 shaft skin, 1/3 inner skin, and 1/3 exposed head. I currently wouldn't mind some of the inner skin being on the outside, as it tapers well around the head and seems to retain some elasticity. But, the aesthetics of it bothers me. By aesthetics I mean the texture, coloration, and general appearance going from shaft-scar-inner skin.

Concern number 2 brought to my attention another issue that I had not realized, even after visiting a urologist. I had Penoscrotal Webbing and a bit of buried penis from being circ'd so aggressively. Tugging seemed to pull the webbing out more, thus burying the underside more than it used to. Also the tugging seemed to be pulling skin up from my pubic area thus making the base of the shaft more hairy.
Now, I was seeing some growth and stretching of the skin around the underside of the scar where the scrotum attaches to the shaft. That was a bit encouraging as there is/was less underside coverage of the glans and frenum area than the top had.

Issue number 3 was being noticed when I went to take my tugger off, the left side of the soon-to-be foreskin was stretching longer than the right. I tried to make the left side loosely gripped so i could even out the right, but it was too uncomfortable to tug more on just the right side.
Also tugging on one side seemed to encourage the scarring to stretch, and stretch oddly.

So my options have come down to these, and I was hoping some of you may bring something to my attention that I haven't thought of or encountered yet.

1. Keep tugging, and hope for the best. i.e. hope I can even out the coverage, get close to the aesthetic I am looking for, and hope even more the underside tugging works itself out to reverse the webbing (and thusly, partially or fully reverse the burying)

2. Elect corrective surgery to fix the burying and webbing, and get hair removal for the excess shaft hair I know I'll get. Then, hope it gives me more shaft skin to work with for tugging. And, also worry about more scar distortion along the underside. Maybe hoping it ends up looking like a raphe.

3. Hold out for Stem Cell Organ Restructuring and Foreskin Transplant. The way it works is:
My stem cells are taken from my blood, and used to grow on a donated, cadaver foreskin that has been broken down to it's cellular structure. My stem cells grow on it, making the foreskin a viable skin graft and recreating all of the parts lost. By creating it from my own stem cells, rejection is less likely to occur than a graft from another donor. It is also less invasive than getting a dermal graft from another area of the body. My shaft skin is then cut along the scar line. The inner skin is pulled forward, over the glans, and the shaft skin pulled back, taking care to avoid unnecessary damage to existing blood vessels. The new foreskin is then slid over the shaft, and via micro-vascular surgery, the blood vessels of the transplant are attached to existing, operational vessels along the outer penile shaft and below the skin. The base of the transplanted skin is attached to the end of the pulled back shaft skin. The tube of newly acquired skin is slid along the shaft, toward the base so that the new foreskin rolls back to expose the inner mucosa. The Inner mucosa would have been pre measured, and trimmed accordingly, to appropriately be attached to the original inner skin. The original inner skin is kept so it will provide oxygen and blood flow to the new inner mucosa and prepuce, thus erasing the need for excess micro surgery. By completely removing the original inner mucosa, you risk losing existing nerves and operational blood vessels. Micro-surgery is performed on the inner mucosa before it is connected to the original inner lining. A frenular replacement may be another option for the patient by connecting the frenum from the transplant, and removing a small strip portion of the original inner mucosa to accommodate the replacement
A sub-dermal injection of stems cells during the procedure, and post-op, would be administered to encourage growth, and regrowth of any nerves and/or blood vessels lost or missing due to the original circumcision.
Post-op, there may be scarring along the incision locations.
The steps of the procedure may also be reversed, depending on ease of replacement. i.e. attaching inner mucosa first, and shaft skin last.

[Distalero]

What are you smoking?

I ain't us, not those of us who are in the middle, or at the end of the process. It really is more difficult than you can imagine (apparently) to come on this forum and try to fool us. You can fool the ones here who haven't started yet (and who post frequently their "opinions" about so many things), but not us.

[admin]

Hi,

Originally Posted by KniteShayd

the scar began to become distorted and stretch along the length too

All the skin you tension will expand. If your scar is 5% of the area of your skin tube today, I would expect it to still be be about 5% later.

Originally Posted by KniteShayd

I read that some people see the scar start to fade during tugging and stretching

Mine got softer and less contrasted from the surrounding tissue.

Originally Posted by KniteShayd

My goal was to have the inner skin stay inside. Now my flaccid head coverage is about 1/3 shaft skin, 1/3 inner skin, and 1/3 exposed head. I currently wouldn't mind some of the inner skin being on the outside

I can't imagine why. Inner skin belongs facing in against the glans.

Originally Posted by KniteShayd

Tugging seemed to pull the webbing out more, thus burying the underside more than it used to

I don't understand that at all. Whatever you see during tugging is not very relevant. Expanding your shaft skin will REDUCE the amount of skin drawn onto the shaft near the base during erection. The pubic and scrotal skin is under LESS stress when you tug than the shaft skin is, because the non-shaft skin is thicker follicular skin and because it is broader. Both of these mean the tugging force is spread out over a greater cross-section there. That non-shaft skin feels less stress and will expand less than the shaft skin you desire to expand.

Originally Posted by KniteShayd

the left side of the soon-to-be foreskin was stretching longer than the right

I'd say use your manual techniques at night as you retire, in the monring when you wake, and with every trip to the toilet, to even out what you see.

Originally Posted by KniteShayd

Option 1. Keep tugging, and hope for the best.

I like this one. I can't imagine a single aspect of your situation not improving compared to today. We are amputees with scars. Tugging does not make us intact, it just gives us more slack skin to manipulate during intimacy and to protect the glans and mucosa.

Originally Posted by KniteShayd

Option 2. Elect corrective surgery to fix the burying and webbing, and get hair removal for the excess shaft hair

I can't imagine surgery adding to your slack. When did a knife ever create more of anything?

I don't know about hair removal, but I trim the hair from any skin that can be drawn onto the shaft then shave it with a facial electric razor. I used to pluck it for years. I liked those results better, but my wife doesn't mind the quicker easier shaved result. It could just be because I now have enough slack so the hair-bearing skin is not drawn into her during intercourse.

Originally Posted by KniteShayd

Option 3. Hold out for Stem Cell Organ Restructuring and Foreskin Transplant.

Whatever the hell that is and whatever century it becomes available (and by the time you win the lottery to pay for it), your results will be better if you have more slack to start start with. I can't imagine grafted tissue (even from your own body) having any desirable sensations.

Good Luck,
-Ron

[KniteShayd]

Originally Posted by Distalero

What are you smoking?

I ain't us, not those of us who are in the middle, or at the end of the process. It really is more difficult than you can imagine (apparently) to come on this forum and try to fool us. You can fool the ones here who haven't started yet (and who post frequently their "opinions" about so many things), but not us.

WTH are you talking about?, and who are you directing this comment toward?

[KniteShayd]

Originally Posted by admin

Mine got softer and less contrasted from the surrounding tissue.

That's encouraging

Originally Posted by admin

I can't imagine why. Inner skin belongs facing in against the glans.

It's cuz, as I said in the post, my skin gradually slides out between where it is being gripped, for some reason. It seems that the inner and outter cone's surfaces are a bit angled and not paralell to eachother.

Originally Posted by admin

I don't understand that at all. Whatever you see during tugging is not very relevant. Expanding your shaft skin will REDUCE the amount of skin drawn onto the shaft near the base during erection. The pubic and scrotal skin is under LESS stress when you tug than the shaft skin is because the non-shaft skin is thicker follicular skin and because it is broader. Both of these mean the tugging force is spread out over a greater cross section there. That non-shaft skin feels less stress and will expand less than the shaft skin you desire to expand.

I think I just need to concentrate more on trying to expand the underside to catch up to the top side. If that is feesable. Am thinking I'd see less burying and webbing by stretching the existing, underside bit I have. In theory, the more skin I obtain on the underside, the more the webbing will have a chance to slide back. At least when erect.

Originally Posted by admin

I can't imagine surgery adding to your slack. When did a knife ever create more of anything?

What happens is, an incision is made to relieve the web. thus separating the shaft from the scrotum in a < fashion. nothing would be excised or taken away.

[Someone mundane]

Originally Posted by KniteShayd

WTH are you talking about?, and who are you directing this comment toward?

Ignore him. He gets like that a lot, though I'm sure he means well.

[cobra]

Awww... he's cranky today.

[Distalero]

You mean crankiER

So much confident nonsense there My NniteShayd, that methinks you are a troll, pure and simple. Is your first name Dudely?

You first concern isn't stated very clearly, so I'm not really sure what you are talking about, but it seems to be one that Ron has already addressed: what you see when tension is placed on shaft skin AND scrotal skin is not what happens eventually. You keep using the word "stretched" in your post, so it appears that that's what you think happens to skin. It doesn't stretch permanently.

Everyone here who actually does this thing, does not stretch skin forward so that it stays there. So wherever mucosa or shaft skin is placed temporarily on, or by, a device is NOT where things end up over the long term.

I know this how? Well, I'm reasonably intelligent, I have observed the process from the beginning, just a matter of actually LOOKING at things, and, here's the kicker, I'm essentially finished, 6 years plus, with a nice skin tube which does all that I want it to do. Place this against a background in anatomy and physiology, and I have a bit of confidence as well, but mine's based in applied science, not common misunderstanding and myth.

Concern #2 is again mistaken, and if you truly had done some research you would know that it's a non issue. Even many newbies know better. Again, you seem to think that scrotal skin and hair bearing skin get pulled forward to stay there eventually. Nope. Nor do hair follicles say "shush" to each other when you aren't looking, and then run giggling up the shaft in some sort of distal migration. Hair bearing skin in the long term GOES IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, Dudely, particularly if you were circ'd tight (I'm surprised you don't know this, but then you describe both what sounds like a loose cut, simultaneous with a tight cut; hmm), because the tension on shaft skin relaxes. Moving right along.....

Concern #3 is my favorite

Essentially the same misunderstanding, of course, but this has a small twist to it, in the sense that you think that the leading edge of any tube you see stays the leading edge. It doesn't. It isn't an edge at all. Here you are in more company, but that doesn't make you right, it makes your group a bit short sighted.

But my favorite part? Injections of stem cells, et al

You have to be kidding.

[cobra]

I'm a tad skeptical of anything clone or stem cell related myself. Even if they somehow could figure out how to do it, they would offer cloned body parts to people who really needed it... like heart patients, lung patients, etc. Foreskin would be waaaaaaaaaaaaay down at the bottom of the list. Not only that, but by the time they had it down, you would have been able to tug yourself to a new foreskin anyway, without the need for surgery with all its inherent risks and complications. Right now stem cells are kind of like warp drive or teleportation. Getting stem cells to replace a few kidney cells is a big leap from being able to regrow an entire foreskin with all its disparate structures, cell types and etc. It's just this side of sci-fi.

Skin expansion is awesome enough on its own merits. Through application of tension, you ARE cloning the cells of your foreskin remnant and creating (onsite) a replicated foreskin. It will be missing a bit of structure, but even so the cells of the ridged band and frenulum will be there to some degree, not formed or attached like original, but satisfactorily sensitive in my opinion.

In my opinion, tugging will probably always be the best way to recover your foreskin. The time investment is a drag, but the best things usually are the things you have to work for the hardest.

[KniteShayd]

Originally Posted by Distalero

You mean crankiER

So much confident nonsense there My NniteShayd, that methinks you are a troll. pure and simple. Is your first name Dudely?

LMAO, seriously?! a troll? wow. I see you must have be well versed in ESP, being such a clairvoyant psychic you are portraying to be. I may want to read my cards and my palm. Or, maybe since your a senior member on this forum, you have some self-proclaimed belief you can instinctively know everything about someone in just one post.

Sarcasm aside, I obviously didn't explain myself so you could comprehend the issues. My apologies for not being specific enough to help you comprehend the issue, thus creating an environment were some random person feels the need to act childish. Then again not having a face to face, and being able to hide behind the 1's and 0's, does make it convenient to allow someone to grow balls along with some of your restored skin...

Originally Posted by Distalero

You first concern isn't stated very clearly, so I'm not really sure what you are talking about. But it seems to be one that Ron has already addressed: what you see when tension is placed on shaft skin AND scrotal skin is not what happens eventually. You keep using the word "stretched" in your post, so it appears that that's what you think happens to skin. It doesn't stretch permanently.

I'm not talking about what I see. I'm talking about what has happened, and whether or not it will continue.

Originally Posted by Distalero

Everyone here who actually does this thing, does not stretch skin forward so that it stays there. So wherever mucosa or shaft skin is placed temporarily on, or by, a device is NOT where things end up over the long term.

This has nothing to do with what I said...

Originally Posted by Distalero

I know this how? Well, I'm reasonably intelligent, I have observed the process from the beginning, just a matter of actually LOOKING at things. And, here's the kicker, I'm essentially finished. 6 years plus, with a nice skin tube which does all that I want it to do. Place this against a background in anatomy and physiology, and I have a bit of confidence as well. But mine's based in applied science, not common misunderstanding and myth.

Grats on the results. I'm glad you have finished and decided to share your experience with us. Don't assume I don't know what I am talking about though. Especially when it comes to my own body. Who's to say I don't have any backround in any bio-sciences? If I don't feel the need to validate myself for any reason, why should I?

Originally Posted by Distalero

Concern #2 is again mistaken. And if you truly had done some research you would know that it's a non issue. Even many newbies know better. Again, you seem to think that scrotal skin and hair bearing skin get pulled forward to stay there eventually. Nope. Nor do hair follicles say, "shush" to each other when you aren't looking, and then run giggling up the shaft in some sort of distal migration. Hair bearing skin, in the long term, GOES IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, Dudely. Particularly if you were circ'd tight (I'm surprised you don't know this, but then you describe both what sounds like a loose cut, simultaneously existing with a tight cut. Hmm), because the tension on shaft skin relaxes. Moving right along.....

This just keeps getting better... Who is this dudely, by the way?

Anyway, For most people it IS a non-issue. But the fact that I clearly stated my issues, i.e. burying and webbing. I already have shaft hair, so that's why it is a current concern. You can have all the anatomy and physiology backround you want, but it appears you have no knowledge of any actual conditions that can affect male genitalia outside of what you have come across in general restoration.

Let me put this simply for you. Burying causes one's penis to recede into one's body. More so if you are overweight. I am not, therefore I had said there was "a bit of". Now, If the shaft recedes when not erect, then the skin will either bunch up or -wait for it-, ..., ..., ..., covers the remaining protruding portion.
Therefore the type of circ one receives has no bearing on the coverage. one has due to burying. And obviously, if one experiences shrinkage, the covarage is even more pronounced.
Also, if you know anything about scrotal webbing, you know that it is possible for shaft coverage to be un-even. Therefore, yes I do have alot less on the undersid than the top. Luckily, I'm not banana shaped when hard. Otherwise, I'd be in more trouble than I have been.

Originally Posted by Distalero

Concern #3 is my favorite

Essentially the same misunderstanding. Of course this has a small twist to it, in the sense that you think that the leading edge of any tube you see stays the leading edge. It doesn't. It isn't an edge at all. Here you are in more company, but that doesn't make you right, it makes your group a bit short sighted.

But my favorite part? Injections of stem cells, et al

You have to be kidding.

By edge, I am thinking you may mean a Faux-Prepuce? If that's the case, you want to be a lil more precise about the point you are trying to convey.
And, for the record I never claimed I was right.

The stem cell thing was meant to be partially tongue-in-cheek. But it does have some applied basis to it that were are already seeing. I suggest you read up on it. Even Oprah had a special on it!

I took the liberty of correcting some of your grammar, punctuation, and run-ons to make this an easier read for future posting.