Have to vent...

[saturnclue]

Originally Posted by Borneo

Ugh! Religion.

The Bible/God also condemns homosexuality as "abomination". So If God hates homosexuality, why does he want our foreskins so badly?

Just sayin'.

Hahaha good point
Something I still can't understand is like... Even if a doctor/God/whoever told you to do that to your baby, it STILL seems counter intuitive. It has to me ever since I learned the meaning of the word circumcision. I just don't get why it would seem appropriate or okay to have a baby and then almost immediately get an unnecessary surgery done to him.
It's still really hard to hear about circ or read anything about it like casually brought up, it's really not so light an issue, at least for men. I just can't figure out why people have the view they do.

[Someone mundane]

Originally Posted by saturnclue

Hahaha good point
Something I still can't understand is like... Even if a doctor/God/whoever told you to do that to your baby, it STILL seems counter intuitive. It has to me ever since I learned the meaning of the word circumcision. I just don't get why it would seem appropriate or okay to have a baby and then almost immediately get an unnecessary surgery done to him.
It's still really hard to hear about circ or read anything about it like casually brought up, it's really not so light an issue, at least for men. I just can't figure out why people have the view they do.

I'm with you, there.

My simple theory is that, some people just have a better natural instinct on this than others which hasn't been suppressed by all the social indoctrinations or their own experiences of being that way/knowing others who have. It's a miracle that some remain objective and mindful of the issues concerning the persons (that infant will grow) rights, since the human is largely a creature that loves to follow the herd.

Despite the fact that it's most definitely NOT a light issue by any means, you still have people treating it distastefully as a joke. For some reason the penis is an intrinsically funny object to mess around on or ridicule... But a vagina isn't. It's all ass backwards. Neither should be amusing.

[peterpink]

The humor and ridicule around the penis and circumcision in particular is obviously used to cover up deeper emotions and intuition that any sort of genital mutilation is wrong. All part of the social denial and blindness found in English speaking countries that went in for it.

[jdawg81]

I know that this is an old thread, but I was just browsing around and came back up on it. And I had to input my story and two cents' worth. I have no idea why mutilation of male genitals is even a question (I have heard of some hospitals where its not, but not in a good way). I am completely appalled at the way this is all handled. It is the mother (who by the way does not have a penis and most of which have no idea what the foreskin is or what its purpose is) is the one that makes the decision about MY sexual organs! I've had this same discussion with my mother and she said that after I was born the doctor said 'bring him back in a week and I will cut him.' Seriously I don't know what my mother was thinking, but I guess she had no clue. The worst part of this whole thing is my father is not cut! WTF kind of grounds did she have for thinking that I needed to be? The doctor gave her no input because he just wanted the money to do it. My father asked her why, to which she probably replied 'its cleaner and to prevent cancer' to which he should have replied 'so your saying I'm dirty?' But NO he backed down like a spineless sponge and let her do it! I harbor no hate for either of them but seriously, my father was 30 when I was born and if I'm not mistaken all of his brothers were uncut. The only thing that I can think of that was damning for me was the fact that one of my mother's brothers got a tick on his foreskin and it swelled up and I'm guessing he rolled his skin back behind the head where it stuck and instead of pushing the skin back into place and letting the swelling go down, they cut it off. So THAT could be one reason.. maybe she thought other than the other medical bull crap that she would save me from the crap her brother went through. But I don't give a flying rats butt about that IT WAS MY BODY and should have been MY DECISION! Unless someone invents a time machine where we can all go back and stop our ignorant mothers, its in the past where it will never change. That is another thought though, do you guys think that we are who we are because of what happened to us? I.E. if we were to change the fact that we were mutilated it would cause us to be different? like if Ron could go back and change that it happened to him the rest of us would not have this great site, but most of all we would not have the TLC series! What about everyone else? If given the chance to change the past and what happened at the risk of loosing your significant other, your great job, kids and run the risk that something would happen along the way to make you loose it any way what would you do? I have asked myself countless times, I would love to have my foreskin, but I love my S/O of 8 years VERY much and don't know what I would do with out him. Plus I might have never went to college and got my degree. Who knows just by me not being cut could cause me to never advance myself. Maybe circumcision was a EXTREMELY early eye opener. 'Welcome to the world.. SLICE... LIFE'S A BITCH' Any way this is getting REALLY long so I'll stop here. Thanks for listening to me rant.

[WoundedBird]

The having people "look at you weird" phenomena is probably something you will have to get used to, unfortunately. I get it the majority of the time I bring this issue up with anyone, to this day. Most of my family thinks I am a delusional basket-case. My mom is the only one who believes me, interestingly enough. She listened to me as I explained what I had lost and I could see genuine grief in her face. That meant a lot to me. But I still have to endure other people mocking me and laughing in my face. That is very painful, but I am used to it now. It still hurts my feelings, but I won't let anyone mocking me see that.

At least places like here exist, and I can guarantee that none of us will mock you for your grief. Only the occasional troll will do that.

It sounds like during the conversation, you didn't rebut the idea that it is a "flap of skin" - only that it was YOUR flap of skin. I agree wholeheartedly...however, letting them know the detailed anatomy of the intact penis can be a real eye-opener. It doesn't always work, but I can generally see the wheels turning in the person after I lay it all out.

[astrotometry]

Originally Posted by Borneo

Ugh! Religion.

The Bible/God also condemns homosexuality as "abomination". So If God hates homosexuality, why does he want our foreskins so badly?

Just sayin'.

That would be St. Luke, the patron saint of tragic translations who was such an idiot that he believed (because he mistranslated the solar corona phenomenon associated with divinity) you and I are children of God when we have our corona's taken off.

The phenomena described in the text he mistranslated is now called a coronal mass ejection, or CME. Poetically described as a "child of the Sun" a piece of the solar corona comes off of the Sun and creates auroras and other Godlike phenomena here on Earth. (God's Sun on Earth)

We have St. Luke and the Rabbi stupidity to blame.

-John