Reverse Taping Methods: 4Skin Restoration Taken to a New Level

[MattOC]

Reverse Taping

Some Background

How many of you wondered why restoration takes such a long time? With the exception of manual (pumping if you are willing to take a risk at doing damage) all the methods that I have read about focus tension on the end of the skin tube, near the scar, and for bi-directional devices place tension on the inner foreskin by means of a pusher or tape insert. This tension is more or less a linear tension. Some may argue that this is not correct, the entire skin tube is being tensioned. If this is correct we would be seeing growth over our entire skin tube especially when a weight or strap is attached to the device or T-Tape. To illustrate my point I will use a tugger device. From the progress pics that I have seen for those that use a tugging method, I notice the growth is focused on the skin that is placed over the tugger body/skin near the scar. Granted tugging devices do work but the rate of progress is slow, as Ron points out about 3 mm per month from his study on 12 vs 24 hour tugging. Considering only a small part of the skin tube actually under tension the rate of progress makes sense.

*** I am not a doctor this is based on observation and the limited knowledge I have on tissue expansion ****

“My Story”

From day 1 I felt that there has got to be a better way to accomplish 4skin restoration. I chose to use the TLC-X over a tugger because at least I would be tensioning both inner and outer skin so that should speed up the progress some since more skin is being targeted with tension. I also bought a DTR after reading how great the device is. I used both the DTR and TLC-X for my first 2 months of restoration. They got me to the CI-4-CI-5 boarder. Some would say that is great progress. I wasn’t satisfied.
After doing some more research and seeing how doctors were getting results for skin grafts and breast restoration in months rather than years I had to find a new method that would tension more skin. I considered pumping but didn’t want to risk injury. I came across Anonemon2’s Reverse Taping method off www.restoringforeskin.org Reverse Taping basically is using a foam ring, placing it on the penis just below the sulcus and rolling the inner skin backward over it. Now instead of the linear tension that the DTR and TLC-X were giving me I had more of a 3D tension. Now the skin cells are being pulled in different directions which create more voids for new cells to occupy. Anonemon2 based RT on proven science in use by doctors implemented with saline balloons except there is no surgery needed with RT. Who wants to have another scar and make “doctors” richer when they already got their blood money from circumcision? Not me!! I will go into more detail on RT in a bit.

Now that you have some idea of what RT is I can continue my “story”. At first I was like that is going to be painful and uncomfortable to wear. How am I going to roll back my skin over a foam ring? I finally went and bought the supplies to try it. It was a challenge to get the skin over the ring but I stuck at it until I was able to do it in less than a min. After doing RT for a day I was amazed at how tensioned my inner foreskin looked after removing the ring. I did not experience pain or discomfort. I took care of the problem of my exposed inner skin being irritated by clothing by using a plastic bag. Anonemon2 uses a wrap to keep his covered. I kept at it and was able to increase the foam ring size from ¼” to just over 1” after just one month. Anonemon2’s implementation of RT has inner skin as its focus. About 2 weeks or so into my 3rd month I started experimenting. I asked myself why can’t I tension outer skin along with the inner skin? I found my answer. I call it RT V2 (Reverse Taping Version 2). I used RTV2 for the rest of the month and was shocked to have gone from a border CI-4-CI-5 to a CI-6 in ONE month of using nothing but Reverse Taping and RTV2! At this point I think it would be an excellent time for you all to view the video I made on RTV2. I could write a detailed description on how to do it but I think it’s easier to see and hear it. It is available on www.restoringforeskin.org under the post titled “Reverse Taping Video Available” Thanks to Tally it is available for you to download and view. Just right click on the link in Tally’s post and choose save. It’s a little over 50 MB so it may take some time to download depending on your internet connection. After you have watched it, take a look at Anonemon2’s and my progress pics. My progress is most evident in my flaccid pics. I posted a flaccid pic from month 2 and month 3 below.

Why Reverse Taping?

Pros:
1.Rapid progress

2.Pain free except for some sensitivity folding the skin back over the ring once in place and taped, no pain at all

3. Can be left in place all day with NO need to remove for bathroom breaks or showering (Nexcare waterproof tape)

4. Very cheap: Nexcare tape costs around $3 a roll which should last 2-3 weeks 6' foam insulation to make rings for around $2 for 6' tube Box of zip lock sandwich bags under $2 at Wal-Mart for over 100 of them

5. Any type of clothing can be worn: No need to buy tug n wear or use any specialized undergarment

6. No worry about a device coming loose and falling off and creating an embarrassing moment

7. With cutting the ring narrower or wider you can customize it so that areas that need more growth can get tensioned more where the other areas can be under very little tension (great for evening out uneven cuts)

8. Ability to focus tension on either inner skin or outer skin based on ring size and location on shaft (For more outer skin focus place ring farther down your shaft. For inner skin focus place ring closer to your glans) Also can tension both well with larger ring and placement at end of shaft and using a slightly bigger ring.

9. EMU oil or other moisturizers can be put on the glans and inner skin while taped to condition the skin and fend off dryness

10. No more need to goto the bathroom and adjust your device because of discomfort or having to remove tape adhesive

11. If you are able to pull your skin over your glans while flaccid you can use RT. You will need to start out with a very thin ring and place it farther down your shaft utilizing more outer skin than inner depending on your cut. This will take trial and error but stay at it until you find the right size ring and optimal placement. Do not worry about not focusing on inner skin at this point. Anonemon2 used RT back when he was a CI-2.

Cons:

1.Although Anonemon2 has used RT and had great results not many people have used RT so its long term success rate is now known where devices like the DTR are proven to produce results and an attractive restoration result

2. Since the inner skin and glans are exposed they will dry out some. I have started using the DTR bell and with holed gripper when not taped which has helped boost the moisture level

3. Those that already have really sensitive skin and glans may shy away from RT and see some loss in sensitivity as a setback in progress Even with RT my inner skin especially has become more sensitive but I will admit I would be much more sensitive now if I stayed with the DTR. I chose faster skin growth progress as the priority over getting immediate sensitivity gains. The sooner I have complete flaccid coverage with overhang, the sooner my skin and glans will return to their correct state without the reliance on a retaining device. Once I have full erect coverage I will have a super sensitive glans and inner skin because neither will be exposed to the elements unless I retract it.

Helpful Hints to Success:

- Use a new ring EVERYDAY. Wearing the ring for 10-12 hours will cause the foam to compress and this will result in less tension/slower results

- Stay on top of the tension!!! Every several days try using a slightly wider ring to see if you have enough skin to roll over it. You will be surprised at how many times you will need to change out for a wider ring in the course of a month. If you use the same ring or same sized ring for long periods of time you will likely see slower results and will think RT is not working when it’s due to the tension amount not being sufficient for the skin available.

- Take progress pics at least every week. You do not need to post them to the site but use them to aide you in knowing when to increase the ring sizes or position depending on how the skin is growing. (In my case once I get full flaccid coverage with overhang I am going to change my focus to inner skin)

- Do NOT wear RT while sleeping. Because the tension on the skin is higher than you realize (with the DTR you will feel pain from the pusher on your glans long before you tension the skin as much as RT does and if you don't believe me look at the pics in RT V2 gallery taken with the ring I created last night and showed in my video) you could cause injury to the skin because nocturnal erections. Use this time to retain to boost the moisture balance in your skin so you can prevent sensitivity loss.

- Do not be afraid to experiment.

- I have RTed for as long as 14 hours and did not have any problems. Try to RT every waking hour for fastest results

- If you start getting an erection, remove the tape and allow it to go down. I have not needed to do this yet

- If you can’t find foam insulation tubing that has an inner diameter large enough to put onto your penis you can cut the seam and widen the ring and place some tape over the gap. This will likely be useful for those that need a ring that has a thin thickness between the inner diameter and outer diameter of the foam ring. Ideally you want the ring to be snug but not too tight that it reduces the blood circulation.

- If you are concerned about the safety of using foam tubing on your foreskin, you can place some tape over where the ring will be on your penis and then tape the outside part of the ring which will be in contact with your skin. I am sure Ron would be able to make rings made out of his safe silicone for use with RT or RTV2. If enough people are interested in this, I bet he would list them for sale.

Reverse Taping, whether you go with RT or RTV2, is a new restoration method. I hope that you all try it out and report on your progress and share your adaptation with the restoration community. I strongly believe that RT and RTV2 have a lot of potential to bring 4skin restoration’s rate of progress to a matter of months instead of years. If you have any questions feel free to email me. If you do not want to join Tally's site and want to see the video I can email it to you. Depending on the interest in RT/RTV2 it may take me some time to email everyone that requests it.

[Distalero]

Well, not for everyone, but it is an option for some. I don't think there is any difference in the resulting tension, compared to the more usual devices (ie, "3D" vs "linear"), but that aside, I suppose it's a choice in general.


The only other comment is: gee, how do you get a taper with this method

(so that I haven't sandbagged this method for the non analytical, this method demonstrates my ad nauseum point that no one can, from a device. Think about it).

[admin]

Thanks for this enlightening write-up.

Originally Posted by MattOC

all the methods that I have read about focus tension on the end of the skin tube, near the scar

I disagree with that. It's like saying that when you hop onto the seat of a rope swing you are concentrating in only the rope just above the seat. It's simply false. The rope near the top - right below the tree branch where it's tied - feels all your weight too.

Originally Posted by MattOC

Some may argue that this is not correct, the entire skin tube is being tensioned. If this is correct we would be seeing growth over our entire skin tube

And so we do. I will not be persuaded otherwise without a careful measurement of someone's shaft skin where they can show that the space between two specific folicles, tattoos, or beauty marks increased more near the device attachment point and than elsewhere. That said, the stress in the skin is a function of skin thickness, so thicker hair-bearing skin near the base may expand less merely because it has a greater cross-sectional area.

Originally Posted by MattOC

Anonemon2 based RT on proven science in use by doctors implemented with saline balloons except there is no surgery needed with RT.

All tissue expansion is based on that same proven science. Are you saying the RT foam pushes outwardly in the girth-wise direction so it has something in common with baloons which stretch not just linearly but in 2 dimensions?

Originally Posted by MattOC

I took care of the problem of my exposed inner skin being irritated by clothing by using a plastic bag.

I'm sure some would be inclined to use a condom or a SenSlip.

Originally Posted by MattOC

PROS: Can be left in place all day with NO need to remove for bathroom breaks or showering (Nexcare waterproof tape)

The Canister is also a pee-through tape method. It keeps the glans covered.

Originally Posted by MattOC

PROS: Nexcare tape costs around $3 a roll which should last 2-3 weeks 6' foam insulation to make rings for around $2 for 6' tube Box of zip lock sandwich bags under $2 at Wal-Mart for over 100 of them

So that's at least say $60 per year.

Originally Posted by MattOC

PROS: Ability to focus tension on either inner skin or outer skin based on ring size and location on shaft (For more outer skin focus place ring farther down your shaft. For inner skin focus place ring closer to your glans) Also can tension both well with larger ring and placement at end of shaft and using a slightly bigger ring.

And we must also acknowledge that using The Canister or even a simple tapeless tugger gives you the exact same control over the inner/outer tension ratio. Fix the device to your skin tube closer to the glans (by applying while slightly erect, for example) and the tension you apply will be resisted on the inner side through the shaft. Apply the device closer to the base (by being fully flaccid and forcing outer skin onto the device more aggressively) and when you tug you get more outer side tension.

Originally Posted by MattOC

PROS: EMU oil or other moisturizers can be put on the glans and inner skin while taped to condition the skin and fend off dryness

And with The Canister moisturizer is also on the glans and mucosa continuously. I show in my demos how to use moisturizer with a tapeless device.

Originally Posted by MattOC

PROS: No more need to goto the bathroom and adjust your device because of discomfort

It never gets uncomfortable? That's great.

Originally Posted by MattOC

PROS: If you are able to pull your skin over your glans while flaccid you can use RT.

That is also a good test to see if you have the slack to use a tapeless device.

Originally Posted by MattOC

CONS: I chose faster skin growth progress as the priority over getting immediate sensitivity gains.

Obviously you have made good progress, but I don't think we have objective evidence that it was any faster than you might have gotten with other methods practiced with the same enthusiasm.

Originally Posted by MattOC

TIPS: Every several days try using a slightly wider ring to see if you have enough skin to roll over it.

It seems like if you leave the house with a specific experimental setup you could be in bad shape if it starts to get uncomfortable. Maybe stay with a certain ring length until the weekend or some time when you'll be close to home.

Originally Posted by MattOC

TIPS: Do NOT wear RT while sleeping. . . . Use this time to retain to boost the moisture balance in your skin so you can prevent sensitivity loss.

I wonder what retaining for less than half the day will do if the glans is exposed the other half?

Originally Posted by MattOC

TIPS: If you start getting an erection, remove the tape and allow it to go down.

I hear from lots of guys who get erections during the work day. I wonder what this means for them?

Originally Posted by MattOC

I am sure Ron would be able to make rings made out of his safe silicone for use with RT or RTV2.

Ours is about as firm as a pencil eraser. I imagine it would be better to have something more akin to the softer foam, but yes we could tool for that and probably find a suitable compound that cure's softer. I am a little concerned that foam sold for pipes may not be optimized for continuous skin contact.

Originally Posted by MattOC

I strongly believe that RT and RTV2 have a lot of potential to bring 4skin restoration’s rate of progress to a matter of months instead of years.

I think any method that lets you apply consistent gentle tension will grow skin at your body's best rate.

Cheers,
-Ron

[MattOC]

Originally Posted by admin

Thanks for this enlightening write-up.



I disagree with that. It's like saying that when you hop onto the seat of a rope swing you are concentrating in only the rope just above the seat. It's simply false. The rope near the top - right below the tree branch where it's tied - feels all your weight too.



And so we do. I will not be persuaded otherwise without a careful measurement of someone's shaft skin where they can show that the space between two specific folicles, tattoos, or beauty marks increased more near the device attachment point and than elsewhere. That said, the stress in the skin is a function of skin thickness, so thicker hair-bearing skin near the base may expand less merely because it has a greater cross-sectional area.



All tissue expansion is based on that same proven science. Are you saying the RT foam pushes outwardly in the girth-wise direction so it has something in common with baloons which stretch not just linearly but in 2 dimensions?



I'm sure some would be inclined to use a condom or a SenSlip.



The Canister is also a pee-through tape method. It keeps the glans covered.



So that's at least say $60 per year.



And we must also acknowledge that using The Canister or even a simple tapeless tugger gives you the exact same control over the inner/outer tension ratio. Fix the device to your skin tube closer to the glans (by applying while slightly erect, for example) and the tension you apply will be resisted on the inner side through the shaft. Apply the device closer to the base (by being fully flaccid and forcing outer skin onto the device more aggressively) and when you tug you get more outer side tension.



And with The Canister moisturizer is also on the glans and mucosa continuously. I show in my demos how to use moisturizer with a tapeless device.



It never gets uncomfortable? That's great.



That is also a good test to see if you have the slack to use a tapeless device.



Obviously you have made good progress, but I don't think we have objective evidence that it was any faster than you might have gotten with other methods practiced with the same enthusiasm.



It seems like if you leave the house with a specific experimental setup you could be in bad shape if it starts to get uncomfortable. Maybe stay with a certain ring length until the weekend or some time when you'll be close to home.



I wonder what retaining for less than half the day will do if the glans is epxosed the other half?



I hear from lots of guys who get erections during the work day. I wonder what this means for them?



Ours is about as firm as a pencil eraser. I imagine it would be better to have something more akin to the softer foam, but yes we could tool for that and probably find a suitable compound that cure's softer. I am a little concerend that foam sold for pipes may not be optimized for continuous skin contact.



I think any method that lets you apply consistent gentle tension will grow skin at your body's best rate.

Cheers,
-Ron

Ron thank you for your input. I want to emphasize that any device/method that tensions the skin should cause the skin to grow and just because RT/RTV2 is another restoration option available doesn't mean everyone should cease their current method(s) and switch to it. My intent with this post was to make people aware of a new method and try to give as much information as I could so that people could decide for themselves whether or not to give RT/RTV2 a try.

Anonemon2 has experienced great results with RT and I have also given its only been a month since I switched to it. If my experiences change for the better or worse with RTV2 I will update this post to include any new information. We are all pioneers in 4skin restoration and as more people start restoring newer and more effective methods will be discovered. Since life's demands on us are all different, a method may be great for one person but not feasible for the next. For me, RTV2 so far has been delivering me the results I am looking for with min impact to my daily life. The more restoration options we have available the better.

I was going to wait several months before making this information available to everyone but felt it best to present it now so more people could try it and test its effectiveness.

[slowtug]

Originally Posted by admin

Ours is about as firm as a pencil eraser. I imagine it would be better to have something more akin to the softer foam, but yes we could tool for that and probably find a suitable compound that cure's softer. I am a little concerned that foam sold for pipes may not be optimized for continuous skin contact.

This is an intriguing method, after playing with some foam and my penis for bout a half hour, I think silicone would not be the right material. It has to be something that can be compressed and then expands again. Foam seems to be the ticket, or something that behaves like foam. Needs to compress to roll back the skin over the material, then expand once it is all taped up. From my understanding it is the foam trying to maintain its shape(expand or whatever) that creates the tension. This is why you mention you have to change out your foam rings regularly after they become compressed.

Anyhow after using the canister method for about a year and a half, and now using a tapeless tugger, I think I am done with tape. Really got sick of tape residue on my penis and always running out of tape and cutting tape etc, too much hassle for me.

[hopeforemore237]

I appreciate your bringing the method out to more visibility and getting people thinking a different direction that may improve restoration progress. You never know what idea may trigger another idea, which may trigger another idea, etc and create an even better method. We are all trying to contribute and help each other out.

I personally don't believe that the shape of the device can create a taper based on my own experience. I used the tLc-x for 1 1/2 years then have used the DTR for the last year and have seen no difference in the amount of taper.

I do think though if one used the RT method during the day and either the TLC-x or DTR at night, then you will be getting two different directions of stress on the skin which could possibly increase progress as well.

[hopeforemore237]

Originally Posted by admin

I disagree with that. It's like saying that when you hop onto the seat of a rope swing you are concentrating in only the rope just above the seat. It's simply false. The rope near the top - right below the tree branch where it's tied - feels all your weight too.

I disagree with your example. The density and mechanical make-up of a rope is completely different than skin, muscle, nerves, blood vessels, etc.

Originally Posted by admin

And so we do. I will not be persuaded otherwise without a careful measurement of someone's shaft skin where they can show that the space between two specific folicles, tattoos, or beauty marks increased more near the device attachment point and than elsewhere. That said, the stress in the skin is a function of skin thickness, so thicker hair-bearing skin near the base may expand less merely because it has a greater cross-sectional area.

Does not seem logical though that the proven method in the medical field to coerce skin growth would also be beneficial in achieving our goal of skin growth? Imagine putting strips of tape on both sides of someone's back and trying to pull the skin apart to induce skin growth. The balloon method makes more sense.

Originally Posted by admin

All tissue expansion is based on that same proven science. Are you saying the RT foam pushes outwardly in the girth-wise direction so it has something in common with baloons which stretch not just linearly but in 2 dimensions?

It does seem closer to the proven science method.

Originally Posted by admin

It never gets uncomfortable? That's great.

I have worn it for up to 14 hours and had absolutely no discomfort.

Originally Posted by admin

I wonder what retaining for less than half the day will do if the glans is exposed the other half?

I'm not sure what you are referring to in this question, but I personally am along the lines of how MattOC's feelings about retaining. I am more focused on growing skin right now than gaining sensitivity (although, I have been blessed that I have no problems with a lack of sensitivity in my penis and it has not been a factor in my motivation to restore), and will let my new skin do the retaining.

That being said, I would consider retaining if there is evidence that it helps trigger more skin growth.

Originally Posted by admin

I hear from lots of guys who get erections during the work day. I wonder what this means for them?

I have had several erections while using this method and have had no discomfort or need to remove the device. I have been using a 1" wide piece of foam, which I believe is around the same size MattOC is using.


Just my 2¢

[Regener8]

this method sounds interesting to me.

where would i get the kind of foam ring to do this? and what does it look like when its on??

[Distalero]

Originally Posted by hopeforemore237

I disagree with your example. The density and mechanical make-up of a rope is completely different than skin, muscle, nerves, blood vessels, etc. ...............

......Just my 2¢

Well, bless you sir; your comment is worth a lot more than 2 cents. This is what I've been saying for years, when the 'rope' example has been used. In actual fact, a rope, depending on what it's made of vs the amount of tension placed on it, also will stretch unequally, but that aside, using as and example of a structure with a physical makeup very different from skin is a basic error.

Thinking that tension is applied equally over a surface leads to another aspect of tension that is misunderstood: thinking that tension is something special in itself, ie applies something special to skin, even "shapes" skin somehow; not so, it's a stimulus only. This misunderstanding comes from the old "stretching skin" myth. And, at any rate (and here's the kicker, folks), only SOME cells will respond by dividing because only SOME cells are able to at any one time, over any given area. That's just a cold fact of epidermal physiology.

Lastly, to think that there is some sort of differentiation between angles of applied tension, be it forwards, backwards, upwards, so-called "3D" (whatever the hell that is), whatever, with devices or saline filled balloons, is to misunderstand the same physiology. Epidermal mitosis responds under it's own dictates, and in NO OTHER WAY. Saline filled balloons, the example that's been totally misunderstood to the point where it's hammered to death, only because of the timeframe involved, impart a super stretch to tissue at least as much as a stimulus to mitosis. This is allowable because a surgeon wants to cover an area as soon as possible. It ought to be a well known fact that the tissue produced by this method easily runs a high risk of being inferior; it doesn't grow into healthy tissue necessarily; it's a recognized potential problem with this method.

[MattOC]

I have made a new video today on how I make my rings with some tips on how to trim them so they can be used for those that do not have a lot of skin yet.

You can now download and view it here:


http://www.4shared.com/video/mDXWfMk...s_Flash_f.html

Just click on the file which will bring up a new browser window and then select download. If the link stops working, please send me an email so I can try and fix the problem.

KOT

Matt