Does a restoring forum require intact men's voices?

[Dasher]

Do you think we need to hear from uncircumcised guys on this forum? Do you think we need to hear direct from them, unfiltered, as the ultimate source of practical knowledge about the foreskin?

I would say yes, based on this insightful -- if rare -- recent comment by an intact guy who just couldn't remain silent when a poster implied that intact guys downplay the importance of their foreskin and say it's "just a piece of skin". Here's what the intact guy had to say:

"Most circumcised males probably don't know how strongly most intact men feel about circumcision because intact men, out of consideration for the feelings of circumcised males, tend to reveal their real feelings about circumcision only to each other. Believe me, they know what they have."

How often do we hear intact guys tell it like it is, like that guy did?

[z726]

But do we really need people to be telling us about what we don't have?

I'd much rather hear from those who have fully restored.

[cutitout27]

I am sure a lot of intact men know what they have, and a lot don't. In my near four decades on the planet I have met a lot of women who have a love affair with their clitoris. And on the same planet I have met women who have said they don't know if they've ever had an orgasm, or never bothered even trying out the equipment. I once talked to a guy cut at 20 who enjoyed sex as much cut as uncut. Said there was no difference, and the idea of cut guys complaining about being cut as infants were just looking for something to explain why they have bad sex. I also met another guy who was cut in his 20's. He said not only was sex not the same, but it was devastating how much he lost. He said there were days he felt suicidal because of all the feelings he could never have back. Why the discrepancies is a mystery to me. All I have are theories.

[greg_b]

I think an intact man can provide insight that restorers may not have. Do I need that to restore? No, but it helps me and I would not want to lose them as members of this site.

Regards

[FalseReality]

I've also been confused as to the major split between the differences after circumcision. I've heard guys say they lost 80% of feeling down there, I've heard guys say they have gained sensitivity. As a guy circumcision was forced on when he was to young to remember I can never get an idea of how it has effected me. This has always made me go sort of crazy wondering how much I have lost.

And how can an intact guy really know what they have, kind of difficult when you have never lived without it. I have seen guys who are less than enthusiastic about their foreskins. They just experience a great orgasm, and say wow that must be due to my foreskin.

Fully restored is definitely a better source of information, however intact guys are welcome as well.

[admin]

Originally Posted by FalseReality

I've heard guys say they lost 80% of feeling down there, I've heard guys say they have gained sensitivity.

There are women who swear there is no such thing as a G-spot. Of course others disagree. Let us entertain the possibility that were are each made uniquely, or at least that we are uniquely tuned in to different aspects of sexual response.

[Science Monk]

Originally Posted by Dasher

Here's what the intact guy had to say:
"Most circumcised males probably don't know how strongly most intact men feel about circumcision because intact men, out of consideration for the feelings of circumcised males, tend to reveal their real feelings about circumcision only to each other. Believe me, they know what they have."

How often do we hear intact guys tell it like it is, like that guy did?

I also HAVE seen intact men whisper to each other something like: I don't know why they think circumcised is better. The feeling is in the tip, and THAT"S what they cut off!

Such intact men are hip to what they have. Others, however, are totally oblivious. Still others feel so ostracised by this society they are stymied in even mentioning the subject, even among themselves, and thus never acquire any new information about the advantage they have.

Please also realize, there are grown men who don't even know if they are circumcised or not. Whenever you see a poll where men are asked to check a box identifying themselves as "circumcised" or "not circumcised," there is almost always a small percentage that check the box for "don't know."

David
World As Monkey Island

[Dr. Ron]

I heard this expression many years ago: Comparisons are odious.

Whenever we start comparing, there are always winners and losers. Those who have more and those who have less. Some are made to feel good about themselves, and some who will feel bad.

The point is, information is helpful; but when new information leads to making comparisons, it can also be a detriment.

How does this relate to intactness and circumcision? It is helpful for those of us who are restoring, or have restored, our foreskins to know what it is like to be intact so that we can establish goals for ourselves. It is not helpful if we see ourselves as forever lacking, and not measuring up some how, and therefore, not feeling good about ourselves.

The big issues for me is, however, that those who are cut at birth have forever been deprived of the possibility of knowing what it is like to be intact. That is the real harm that both doctors and parents are inflicting on their patients and/or sons. Taking away potential. Removing the possibilities. Those are the most grievous "sins" that those entrusted with the care of a child can commit. Childhood is all about potential. What will this child grow up to be? For a parent to say that the child will not remember the pain, or know what he is missing, is to deny that child part of his birth right.

Circumcision removes one of the myriad of possibilities that are open to a child's future life. No matter what the supposed benefits, to circumcise without medical necessity goes contrary to the very nature of parenthood.

[Ozymandias]

Of course you don't, why don't you collect all the intact guys together and have them gassed.

[Americut]

I like that there are intact men who actively oppose MGM. I have a friend that's intact, yet he does not have an interest in intactivism. He once said "because I'm not circumcised, I don't feel the way you do about fighting against it". I very swiftly said "lot's of guys that aren't circumcised are actively against what's happening to the boys here because they know it's WRONG and must end". He didn't argue with that, but I know he's just not interested in fighting the cutters. He'll probably have a son in the future and that son will be left intact for sure, he says.

Yes, I'm glad we have intact, anti-circ men.