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Old July 20th, 2011
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Old July 20th, 2011
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I'm afraid that your endeavor may be made impossible by a character named Jake Waskett. (AKA Jakew)

http://circleaks.org/index.php?title=Jake_waskett

He is the pro-circ WikiPedia watchdog who makes it his life's calling to make sure any and every article related to the penis is pro-circ.

He has licked enough boot up at WikiPedia that any attempts to expose him are met with users and IPs being blocked.

He is clearly breaking WikiPedia rules, but he can get away with it (while using these same rules remove other people's edits) because of his position high up on the Wiki ladder. Unfortunately, until somebody succeeds in getting this self-interested fraud removed we may not have a chance at WikiPedia.
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Old July 21st, 2011
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Have you edited an article with Jakew before? It'd be great if you have any advice or experiences you could share..
I made some edits that were immediately reverted by Jw. He had the rules to back him up and I could not argue that. In order to edit the circ related articles, a thorough knowledge of the Wikipedia rules is necessary. I did not want to devote the time to learn those rules well enough to use them to my advantage.

You may want to study the reasons that Jw uses to revert edits. When you go head-to-head with Jw, you will need to know and use the rules as well or better than him.

I find Wikipedia to be very frustrating because, in addition to Jw, there are too many people with just enough knowledge to drive you crazy. I've had valid edits changed beyond recognition by people who think they know how to say it better or who just plain do not like what is there. Edits require constant vigilance to prevent improper changes.
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(Jakew accused me of meatpuppetry)
Welcome to the world of Wikipedia! There is a rich set of rules. Unless you have a very good understanding of those rules, you will get slaughtered in a confrontation with someone who knows the rules.

One benefit to the rules is that when both sides have a good understanding of the rules, the articles are likely to be much more accurate and reflect a NPOV.

You may want to review and edit some less controversial topics to help you gain experience and knowledge of the rules. Doing so will help build your credibility in the Wikipedia community.
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A word of warning about pro-circs; they use projection, A LOT.

In this case, Jake is clearly in cahoots with other single-purpose editors, such as Avraham. But in this case, he wouldn't call it "meatpuppetry," he would call it something else that fits in with the Wiki rules.

The Wiki rules are clear that Wikipedia is supposed to be "neutral," yet Jake is allowed control all pages concerning circumcision, making sure they're all pro-circ, and that intactivists cannot edit, even legitimately with sources.

The Wiki rules are clear that you can't include original research. Yet Jake quotes himself, and links to his own website.

Jake is in such a position where he can use "rules" against others that he doesn't have to follow.

IMO, it's pointless to tackle Wikipedia until Jake is exposed and the Wiki rules are actually enforced.

Good luck with your endeavor...
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We better make sure that punk does not write anything bad or misleading about Foregen. I'm going to report that SOB to Wikipedia's staff. Everyone should also join in on reporting him.
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I went to this circleaks site that Joeseph linked to, and surfed around for about an hour.

It says that quite a few pro circ doctors/researchers are also Circumfetishists that belong to some site/club that passes around porn and stories about men And babies being butchered. I know it's a fetish in very small cicles, but men in the forefront of activism and in the spotlight like Schoen, Auvert, Bailey? Really? Its one thing to be into adult circ, but it seems this social club is also passing around baby circa pics too, which is pederasty, and illegal in the US. Seems like they would put their whole credibility in the toilet, not to mention risk of jail time if they were exposed as being sexually aroused by such a bloody perversion.

Is this really true, or a desperate smear job attempt? Can this claim be verified?

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Though, the evidence is primarily archived newsgroup posts that rarely touch on the specific topic of child circumcision fetishism. While it seems pretty clear that several prominent proponents of circumcision have long associated as friends with child circumcision fetishists, it's not so clear that they themselves have such a fetish.

Still...gross.

There are two definitions for fetishism:
A) "a condition in which the handling of an inanimate object or a specific part of the body other than the sexual organs is a source of sexual satisfaction"
B) excessive attention or attachment to something; blind devotion; unquestioning reverence

I remember long ago being on a website run by one of the popular pro-circ researchers (I forget who now, sorry), and among the many links he had was one to the Acorn Society. Now, whether or not thinking of a circumcised penis gives Wiswell, Schoen, etc. an erection, I can't say, but it does not matter to me. If they associate with Acorn or any other mutilated-penis worshipping societies, I would call them circumfetishists anyway, under definition B.
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I was wondering, has anyone ever made a list of every single "pro-circ" studies ever made? So many significant studies showing a link between circumcision and "medical benefits" have been done by circumfetishists. It would be interesting to see what proportion turn out to have been made by them.

Next, you could also find out what proportion are made by people who have made a living promoting circumcision for their who lives.

Probably not much else will remain...
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I went to this circleaks site that Joeseph linked to, and surfed around for about an hour.

It says that quite a few pro circ doctors/researchers are also Circumfetishists that belong to some site/club that passes around porn and stories about men And babies being butchered. I know it's a fetish in very small cicles, but men in the forefront of activism and in the spotlight like Schoen, Auvert, Bailey? Really? Its one thing to be into adult circ, but it seems this social club is also passing around baby circa pics too, which is pederasty, and illegal in the US. Seems like they would put their whole credibility in the toilet, not to mention risk of jail time if they were exposed as being sexually aroused by such a bloody perversion.

Is this really true, or a desperate smear job attempt? Can this claim be verified?
Well, it's at least true for Ja ke. Seriously, if you take the time to check into his background and actually read some of the external links circleaks provides, his true motivations are incredibly transparent. He has been on mothering forums trying to convince parents to circumcise. He is a member of c-i@r-c li st. He has collaborated with Bri an in the past. All of this can be verified. For Sch oen, it's obvious that he has a conflict of interest. It's rather unlikely that he would be objective. He is Jewish and values the circumcision traditions.

Furthermore, I would like to point out that the c-i@r-c li st actually has a hidden gallery. I'm not sure if this is known. If you're at all curious to check it out for yourself, just send me a PM and I'll respond with the appropriate information when I can.
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